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niki35010 03-04-2008 07:08 PM
Is this okay?
 
Okay, I posted earlier that Fancy was in heat. She has been bleeding all day, but now there is no thing. Is this normal? Is she suppose to bleed continuous or off and on?

MyFairLacy 03-04-2008 07:51 PM
For most females, they start to come into standing heat once the bleeding stops. Are you sure she just started going into heat today or has she been in heat for a while? Some females don't bleed at all and I'm sure others bleed so lightly that they keep themselves clean and its not noticeable.

I asked this in your other thread but you haven't responded. Have you already had her and the male tested and screened for everything? You really need to do this before you breed them.

EmrldShdwQueen 03-04-2008 07:59 PM
Let me just say...if she is in standing heat, your male will KNOW. ;)

Breny 03-04-2008 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1823468)
Okay, I posted earlier that Fancy was in heat. She has been bleeding all day, but now there is no thing. Is this normal? Is she suppose to bleed continuous or off and on?
She will not have a continuous flow. Its more of a spoting. Some bleed more than others and they will tend to keep them selves very clean as well. Best time to check them for bleeding is after they go potty with a white tissue.

Ladyhawk 03-05-2008 02:55 AM
I don't want to sound harsh but it sounds like you have alot more homework to do before you consider becoming a breeder. I would suggest that you skip this heat and do some more studying so that you will be better prepared for this endeavor. Breeding these angels is very serious business, you could be adding to the overpopulation problem, putting your gals life in danger and could even be adding to the downfall of this breed. Make sure that your dogs are excellent examples of the breed, that they and their ancesters are free from genetic issues, and that you know all that you need to know to ensure that your gal and her pups have a safe and healthy whelping.

Sugar's Mom 03-05-2008 04:17 AM
Arent't you the lady that was keeping the dogs outside? Sorry if I am mistaken but based on those threads I feel you really need to do a lot of research before you jump right in and start breeding. There is a whole lot more to it than just letting them be together. Again, I apoligize if I am wrong.

BamaFan121s 03-05-2008 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1824064)
I don't want to sound harsh but it sounds like you have alot more homework to do before you consider becoming a breeder. I would suggest that you skip this heat and do some more studying so that you will be better prepared for this endeavor. Breeding these angels is very serious business, you could be adding to the overpopulation problem, putting your gals life in danger and could even be adding to the downfall of this breed. Make sure that your dogs are excellent examples of the breed, that they and their ancesters are free from genetic issues, and that you know all that you need to know to ensure that your gal and her pups have a safe and healthy whelping.
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1824100)
Arent't you the lady that was keeping the dogs outside? Sorry if I am mistaken but based on those threads I feel you really need to do a lot of research before you jump right in and start breeding. There is a whole lot more to it than just letting them be together. Again, I apoligize if I am wrong.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

You two ladies said what ALOT of others are thinking! I couldn't agree more! I hope all is not falling on deaf ears, but I'm afraid that might be the case. (This is one of those situation where I am really having to sit on my hands here.:( )

lisatodd 03-05-2008 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1824266)
:thumbup: :thumbup:

You two ladies said what ALOT of others are thinking! I couldn't agree more! I hope all is not falling on deaf ears, but I'm afraid that might be the case. (This is one of those situation where I am really having to sit on my hands here.:( )
sit on your hands??? i am having a hard time sitting on my hands and mouth!!!!!! you know how hard that is?
not a pretty site i must say

BamaFan121s 03-05-2008 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1824389)
sit on your hands??? i am having a hard time sitting on my hands and mouth!!!!!! you know how hard that is?
not a pretty site i must say
Ah, you can let your mouth go...no one can hear that!:p

Tiramisu 03-05-2008 08:28 AM
Aren't we supposed to be helping?! Wasn't it agreed that it's better to be helpful because she's asking questions and trying to learn. It shouldn't matter if she's a hobby breeder or backyard breeder, she's asking for help on something that she'll do with or without YT.

Sorry, you couldn't hear what I was saying - had to use the fingers!

BamaFan121s 03-05-2008 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiramisu (Post 1824619)
It shouldn't matter if she's a hobby breeder or backyard breeder, she's asking for help on something that she'll do with or without YT.
Are you serious!? Generally speaking, it matters a great deal if someone is a backyard breeder! Sorry, but those kinds of people I don't usually "Help" and encourage and never "agreed on."
I believe this person has recieved a great deal of "help" and "answers" and "advice" from people here already...what she chooses to do with that info is up to her.

Sugar's Mom 03-05-2008 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiramisu (Post 1824619)
Aren't we supposed to be helping?! Wasn't it agreed that it's better to be helpful because she's asking questions and trying to learn. It shouldn't matter if she's a hobby breeder or backyard breeder, she's asking for help on something that she'll do with or without YT.

Sorry, you couldn't hear what I was saying - had to use the fingers!
My goodness!!!!!!!! When this gal came on here just last week and said, "I bought me some breeding dogs" and do you all keep them outside? Do you think we did not try to help her:rolleyes: this is someone that just got a good deal on some older dogs to breed and wants to jump right in. WE TRIED to help her. Apparnetly, it fell on deaf ears. Had she taken our advice the first time around, she wouldn't even be asking this question. So, before you start bashing us, perhaps you ought to learn the history:rolleyes:

niki35010 03-05-2008 10:35 AM
Is seems that most everyone here is already against me and will not answer my questions so I will continue to talk to the ones that are friendly and will answer my questions and not continue to bash me...It is so sad that alot of people on here doesn't have a life and all they have to do is bash everyone's questions..because they know EVERYTHING!!!!! And it wasn't last week when I came on here either it has been about 3 weeks....

MyFairLacy 03-05-2008 10:41 AM
I just REALLY hope you health screen these dogs first...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this. It is not fair to bring unhealthy dogs into this world. It's not fair for the dog or the new owner. PLEASE make sure your dogs are 100% healthy and sound BEFORE you breed. If that means skipping this heat to get it done first, please do that.

EmrldShdwQueen 03-05-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1824898)
My goodness!!!!!!!! When this gal came on here just last week and said, "I bought me some breeding dogs" and do you all keep them outside? Do you think we did not try to help her:rolleyes: this is someone that just got a good deal on some older dogs to breed and wants to jump right in. WE TRIED to help her. Apparnetly, it fell on deaf ears. Had she taken our advice the first time around, she wouldn't even be asking this question. So, before you start bashing us, perhaps you ought to learn the history:rolleyes:
:lol2:

lisatodd 03-05-2008 10:43 AM
the advise from some very experienced breeders have giving you advise to just sit back and learn before you jump into this. this is probably the best advise you have been given. but since you do not like this advise, you will ignore it and go about doing what you are going to do. so with that being said, why would we give you any more advise if you are just going to ignore the best advise you have been given?

Judywantsayorki 03-05-2008 10:44 AM
I was always told bright red blood, not ready, no blood, fertile.

Judywantsayorki 03-05-2008 10:44 AM
But you're supposed to count the days when the blood starts.

EmrldShdwQueen 03-05-2008 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1824964)
the advise from some very experienced breeders have giving you advise to just sit back and learn before you jump into this. this is probably the best advise you have been given. but since you do not like this advise, you will ignore it and go about doing what you are going to do. so with that being said, why would we give you any more advise if you are just going to ignore the best advise you have been given?
:goodpost: :bravo: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

BamaFan121s 03-05-2008 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1824964)
the advise from some very experienced breeders have giving you advise to just sit back and learn before you jump into this. this is probably the best advise you have been given. but since you do not like this advise, you will ignore it and go about doing what you are going to do. so with that being said, why would we give you any more advise if you are just going to ignore the best advise you have been given?
:bravo: :clapsmile :mademyday

:thumbs up :yeahthat:

Agree 100%! Generally speaking, for me it's not only that, but I don't generally make a habit out of supporting something I don't agree with, nor do I encourage or coach or advise people if I don't agree with their breeding ethics. I would never encourage anyone who has done little to no reasearch to put their dogs' lives at risk nor would I help them by advising them on how to do so...even if they are going to do it regardless.

Tiramisu 03-05-2008 11:18 AM
I just re-read "Sticky: The Breeder Talk Section! Why It Is Here" and I obviously interpret it differently that others. Admin, please accept my apologies.

Brooklynn 03-05-2008 12:09 PM
I've sat on my fingers long enough LOL...yes this is the same person that bought breeding females and had them outside...obiviously this person isn't going to take advice that she doesn't agree with and take the offensive approach to our answers, so, with that said......I refuse to help "backyard breeders" it goes against my ethics and especially when one is not at least trying to take advice from responsible and ethical breeders! I wash my hands of this person!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

larsensyorkies 03-05-2008 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1824951)
Is seems that most everyone here is already against me and will not answer my questions so I will continue to talk to the ones that are friendly and will answer my questions and not continue to bash me...It is so sad that alot of people on here doesn't have a life and all they have to do is bash everyone's questions..because they know EVERYTHING!!!!! And it wasn't last week when I came on here either it has been about 3 weeks....
Many people are answering your questions and helping you, but a month ago you didn't even think you'd be breeding Yorkies so this heat does seem a little too soon IMO. I applaud you for asking questions and trying to learn, but for your sake and the dogs’ sake I highly recommend waiting at least until next heat and continue to learn in the mean time. I know you are probably very excited to start but trust me, you will be glad you waited when you understand more and know you are breeding healthy dogs to the standard.

MyFairLacy 03-05-2008 12:35 PM
To the OP - it really seemed like you had listened to some of the advice given...you were even asking about health screening and costs. I just hope you'll sit this one out (and not allow any "accidents" to happen) and learn more and find out about the health of your dogs before you consider breeding. I really hope you take the advice given here. Please breed responsibly

Ellie May 03-05-2008 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1825226)
To the OP - it really seemed like you had listened to some of the advice given...you were even asking about health screening and costs. I just hope you'll sit this one out (and not allow any "accidents" to happen) and learn more and find out about the health of your dogs before you consider breeding. I really hope you take the advice given here. Please breed responsibly
I agree and to the OP, have you read "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog"?

To be honest, I wouldn't even consider breeding these dogs because it doesn't sound like you have their history. What if one of their great grandparents had a liver shunt? That isn't going to show up by testing the parents but the puppies could still end up with this problem. For the sake of the dogs, please health screen, STUDY THE LINES and make sure they are standard before going any farther.

MorkieAZ 03-05-2008 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1824960)
I just REALLY hope you health screen these dogs first...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this. It is not fair to bring unhealthy dogs into this world. It's not fair for the dog or the new owner. PLEASE make sure your dogs are 100% healthy and sound BEFORE you breed. If that means skipping this heat to get it done first, please do that.

PLEASE take this advice. I just got back from the vet after spending $375. to find out my 9 month old girl has Leggs Perthes, now she will have to undergo a painful surgery and long recovery because of a breeder that did not screen her dogs. The surgery will cost me more than I paid for her, which I don't care about, I just want her to stop hurting. The heart ache I feel right now could have been prevented. Learn the history of your breeding stock, PLEASE.

Brooklynn 03-05-2008 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MorkieAZ (Post 1825357)
PLEASE take this advice. I just got back from the vet after spending $375. to find out my 9 month old girl has Leggs Perthes, now she will have to undergo a painful surgery and long recovery because of a breeder that did not screen her dogs. The surgery will cost me more than I paid for her, which I don't care about, I just want her to stop hurting. The heart ache I feel right now could have been prevented. Learn the history of your breeding stock, PLEASE.
I'm sorry to hear about your baby! Has your vet ever heard of putting a brace that keeps the hips seperated (maybe not seperated not sure of the wording) for this rather than surgery? You know humans can also have this and my vet was telling me that a friend of his had the brace without surgery and vets are now seeing progress with this in dogs. Just an option other than surgery...
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

tiggerr36792 03-05-2008 01:32 PM
To the OP...You will receive both very passionate postive and negative responses in an open forum. Please read with care and be a responsible breeder. Make sure you do your back ground research, proper health screening, and blood work before jumping into anything. To be a responsible breeder means going the extra mile to make sure you are producing healthy, happy puppies without genetic faults. I know you would want to better the breed and make sure you are following the true standard!!

MorkieAZ 03-05-2008 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1825378)
I'm sorry to hear about your baby! Has your vet ever heard of putting a brace that keeps the hips seperated (maybe not seperated not sure of the wording) for this rather than surgery? You know humans can also have this and my vet was telling me that a friend of his had the brace without surgery and vets are now seeing progress with this in dogs. Just an option other than surgery...
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Thanks...I PM'd you.

NanaDtreasures 03-05-2008 05:27 PM
You have REALLY gotten some GREAT advice here.
Most everyone has been kind and helpful to you.
Have you done your research this quickly?
It took me YEARS.........
Hopefully you did bring them inside.
Hopefully you did take them all to the vet
Hopefully you did get health screening done on all of them.
If not....Poor mama's ...Poor babies ...and Poor future heatbroken owners
:( sad


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