Was It a Scam?
 

I bought a male Yorkie with an international pedigree from a supposedly reputable breeder in Mexico City. The dog was 6 months oold at the time and the breeder said she was planning to breed him, but changed her mind and decided to sell. She also said the dog would not weigh more than 3 kg. (6.6 lbs.) at full maturity. He weighs 4.5 kgs or 9.9 lbs.which I can accept.

I tried to breed my female Yorkie with him and no litter appeared. Last week, I took the male to a new vet in town who has his own lab and x-ray machine, very progressive for this part of the world. He performed a fertility test and said the dog is 100% sterile. I couldn't see one "swimmer" in the microscope.

Naturally, I contacted the breeder. Her response was, "I gave you a 30-day guarantee, not one for a lifetime."

Shouldn't she have known by 6 months if the dog was sterile? Also, as a breeder with years of experience, shouldn't she have made a better estimate of adult size? Nothing about him now meets the breed standard.

Was I scammed or is it possible she made an honest mistake? I'm looking to you professionals because I am too personally involved. I adore my dog, but feel I should receive some compensation, either a partial refund of the purchase price or the offer of a puppy at a reduced price.

I will go along with what you say. Sorry this got so wordy. Thanks.

I don't have any answers but wish you good luck.

She shouldn't have, you shouldn't have and double you shouldn't have for trying to breed a nine pound male.

I second that! :yeahthat: :yeahthat:

And I'll third that!

Thank heavens he is sterile.

If you were looking for a stud.....
 

in my opinion he didn't look like a candidate if his breeder told you that he shouldn't get bigger than 6.6 pounds , for a stud is just too big .......and she knew it , probably why she sold it in the first place.
Now 9 pounds is way too big to even think about breeding him, he is already way out of the standard besides putting your female at risk, how big is she?
Sometimes we just have to take a loss ........if you had in mind to breed and the dog didn't turn out what is suppossed to be to add to the breed , neutering/ spaying is the best option and let them be happy as pets, a responsible breeder will keep searching for the right dog.

My female is 3.6 kg., also over the standard.

I feel personally attacked by some of the responders to my post and do not understand why the site monitors let this harshness get through. It seems prevalent on the Breeder section, not on the other forums. Yes, I understand your perfectionism, but not your mean-spiritedness.

You probably would use nicer language if we were face to face. Anonymity seems to bring out the worst in people.

no one was harsh to you. Just stating facts. you asked for opinions, you got them. you will get all kinds of opinions on a public message board and you have to expect it even tho it might not be what you want to hear. no one here is going to tell you it's okay to breed your nine pound dog. most of us are very passionate about not breeding our dogs unless we breed to standard. Any dog over seven pounds iss out of standard and is not breeding quality. That is not to say they don't make lovely pets. a lot of people on here have larger dogs which we jokingly refer to as teapots but they don't breed them. As far as site monitors, I can assure you that if they thought we were being harsh, they would have at the very least deleted the posts. no one has made a personal attack on you.

I havent said anything as of yet on this forum, but this thread just gets to me...Before doing any kind of breeding or buying anyone for your breeding program (that is if you have thought that far ahead) you should have done alot of research and talked with other experienced breeders and even gotten you a breeding mentor if it was still what you wanted to do.
Nothing on this thread has been harsh or attacking, the truth hurts sometimes. Breeding takes alot of work, alot of $$ and alot of patience. It is very rewarding in the end if it is done correctly and with only good intentions.

It sounds like the breeder ripped you off. She should have known or had a tiny clue at 6 months of age the dog would be over 7 lbs. She may not have known he was sterile at that age, but since she knew you were looking for a stud dog, she should have refunded your money.Personally, I would have both dogs spayed/neutered and start your breeding program over. Do your research and be patient and the right dogs will eventually be available to you. Find a mentor and go to dog shows and meet the reputable breeders.

Maybe I need to start a new thread, but this has me wondering if the standard is the same in all countries?

Anyway, to answer the original question....I have never seen a general guarantee that covers size or breeding ability. If she were selling him as a pet, she would have had no reason to test his fertility. And the reason guarantees don't cover size is because it is impossible to be 100% correct in your predictions. It is true that being familiar with your lines, and basic growth info, can enable you to make good predictions....but still there is no way to know for sure.

So while it is possible that she did suspect (or know) these facts, the simple fact that the guarantee doesn't cover it is not unusual or wrong....I wonder if she knew you were planning to breed?

Oops....I just realized he was 6 months old....I agree that she should have had a better estimate of adult weight at this time.

If you are answering to my previous post , which I am very confused :confused: as I never intended to be mean or perfect and if my words were wrong to you I take them all back.
I was just stating my opinion .
I didn't see anyone attacking here but again just my op.
have a good day!:)

I think the standard for a Yorkie is the same in any country. Therefore, yes the breeder probably knew the boy was going to be too big too be a breeder. And I would think, you would not want to put your female at risk by breeding her to an oversized male. I agree that since both of your dogs are over-sized, spay and neuter them, either keep them as pets or sell them as pets, and start over. And this time try to find yourself a mentor to work with you to find the best lines.

I'm sorry you made some bad choices, but sometimes it happens to good people.

Would she need to neuter the male? I mean, he's already sterile, right? Does he being neutered although sterile make a difference in the dog's behavior?