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First time being bred question A friend just called me asking me about her female. She's 2, and this is her 1st time being bred with a proven stud. She's only put the 2 together 2 times, she's flagging and letting her male mount but she said that when her male begins pentration her girl yipes (she described it sounding like as though she stepped on her foot!) and she hasn't held her down because she doesn't want to hurt her. She is asking my advice but I've never had this happen. My 1st timers have never yelped like this. Oh and after the yelp it scares her male so he gets off her, and she runs, but still runs back to him but is a little timid when he trys to remount. Anyone ever have this and what should she do? I had no suggestions for her but to hold her down? |
Happens every time with my female. She yelps and tries to run. Thus why I have to sit and hold her and continue to do so until the tie is broken. |
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I have a whole set up. Brodie is real good and I calm my girls down quick and just sit with them, sometimes I lay with them until its all over. I couldn't imagine not holding them. there is just no way. She was just concerned about her female being hurt and how the male jumps right off (the noise scared him) when she yelped. |
Some first time females can flag before they are ready due to the hormone change they are not used to. Have her check the female to see if she is ready to accept the male. Peanut is a seasoned bitch and she does make an initial squeak when Bowie ties with her, some are just tighter then others. |
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She may need dialating or to check for obstruction. You can lubricate a gloved pinky and gently insert it. |
breeding I agree with Tami...many first time bitches need dilating and some yelp out of fear. I have touched the back of their legs and got the same reaction as the stud...yelps! Sometimes a soft muzzle will calm a female and prevent biting the stud...and it helps if the bitch knows the owner is dominant. |
Thanks for the replies everyone!!! How do you dialate? |
All I can say is that it's her first time and it probably hurts a little. London and Gracie's first tie...you'd think someone was killing them. Now, my little Gracie is a pro ;) just kidding but she doesn't yelp anymore. |
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I'm passing on all the info though - thanks everyone! |
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Usually a small peice of tissue like our hymen but it could also just be a narrow spot. |
well I checked in on her today and she said still nothing but she hasn't tried to hold her down. She said her male has made contact but as soon as he does thats when she yelps. She is flagging him and standing for him. Another breeder told her she may not be breedable. How could this be? She said her pelvic area may be too small? I had her do the 3 finger test and she said there was plenty of room. Her female weighs 6lbs. Oh and I was wrong - her girl is not 2. She's about 16 months old, and this is her very 1st heat. She felt she was mature enough to breed. She has bred before and knows the breeding age rules. (fyi):) |
bitch If it were so simple all bitches with too small a pelvis would refuse the male..I think this has little to do with it...she is fearful, may be spoiled (I have had many) the bitch needs to be taken to an experinced breeder who is used to dealing with difficult breedings... I recommend a soft muzzle..most are able to calm themselves and stop yelping. I. also found it was good for stud service btiches, they felt intimidated and knew I was in charge. Almost without fail a dilation will calm a bitch...leave your finger in for a few minutes until she settles...it can take a few times. Do it out of the studs ear range..yelping can turn many off and some become too aggressive and produce more fear in the bitch. I bred early in the am or late in pm when it was quiet in the house... My vet used to call me to come and breed difficult bitches for him at the clinic..that is why I have lots of experince, plus all my own. PS..I am sure this all must sound not so pleasant to the pet owner.. but she must learn who is in charge. |
Thanks Pat! I've passed on the info but since then she has had her male and female together and this time there was no yelp and her male did enter the female twice she said. She said that after the male was finished his thrusting though, both times as he got off her and what should have been the tye, the male slowly popped out! She said it happened 2 times. She then checked her girl again with a gloved pinky and this time she was able to insert the whole finger. Yesterday she said she was only able to get to the 1st joint on her pinky. Today is her day 11 and she counted the 1st day she saw blood as day 1. |
At day 11 she may not be fully ready and they may just be warming up. Occasionally one of mine won't get down to business until day 14. You can get a pregnancy from an outside tie as well. |
breeding I did not know the day..yes, I think it is a touch early for her also...she will soften more in the next day or two and a tie may be possible, if not tell her to hold the male against her for at least 5 minutes so he can not pull away...that should do it. |
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