Rolinn C Farm breeder in Lane,OK
 

Does anyone know anything about this breeder good or bad. I have checked the references he gave me and they were good but since this is my first puppy I'm a little scared because I don't know exactly what to look for. Any help with what to look for as well as breeder info will be appreciated.

Thanks

First off, welcome to YT! You have come to a great place to look for the perfect little one.:)

Here is their website: www.rolinncfarms.com

A few things jump out at me. The have several breeds (not generally a good sign)--Yorkies, Poms, Chis and apprently they are crossing breeds as they have Yorkie-Pom section.:thumbdown The two adult Yorkies they show as stock (blog section) should have NEVER been bred...and when you can look at a pic and make a statement like that....:rolleyes: When you look at the pics of their kennel...it's nothing but a long row of small cages.:( On puppy find, it shows they have 13 pups available, 3 different breeds from at least 4 different litters.

And that is just from the little info they DO give. I would keep looking, but that is just my take on it.

Bamafan121s
 

Thank you so much Bamafan121s. It is so nice to be able to talk to someone who actually knows something. Can I please ask a favor of you. I have two other places I was looking at. Can you look at them and tell me what you think. PLEEEEASE!!!!!!!

www.memesyorkies.com, I am looking at Patti and Sussie on this site.

http://www.owensk9.net/, there are quite a few so I have selected one yet.

What do you think of these two breeders?

breeder
 

Something is not right...they have puppies on Puppyfind for $600 and that includes shipping. So that means a puppy for about $350/400..think about it. Even the $800 includes shipping and that is too low.

PS
 

PS...I take it back..I just looked at their stud...that seems a fair price for their puppies.

LOL...you are right...sadly...:(

I don't know anything about the other breeders mentioned here, but I am well acquainted with Owens K9. My family has known Lloyd and Kathy Owens for years (since before I was born). They have bred Yorkies for many years; we go to her with all our dog questions. They are retired, and the Yorkies are Kathy's babies....which is why she doesn't charge an arm and a leg for them. This is her love and hobby, and vet costs, etc. are relatively inexpensive here, so she simply charges a reasonable price.

Feel free to pm me with any specific questions about them....I'm not trying to advertise for them, but wanted to post since I know them personally.

I can only give you my opinion based off what is on their site, which doesn't always give you the whole truth, but it will give you some suggestions on some things you'd DEFINATELY want to address.

With any breeder you are considering, check with the registries to see if there are any compaints against them. (There is a link to the AKC suspension list here.)

Regarding memesyorkies.com, some things that catch my attention are:
-a pup 'ready for adoption' at 8 1/2 weeks is way too early, the general age for placement that most respected breeders agree on is 12 weeks
-the pups are reg with different registries...I would question why
-the health guarantee does not cover luxating patellas--not life threatening, but it is often genetic and is not a trait that should have been passed on to the pups
There really isn't much info on that site to look at...no info on the parents, etc.

Regarding owensk9, the only thing I would question is the whole 'kennel' aspect. I question the benefits of dogs receiving the attention they need when the dogs are kept in cages in a kennel.:( But that is more just a personal view.

I can't really see the pedigrees well (blurry) for their dogs, but I think there is some Prestigeous in there--I *think* that she is a member here so you may be able to get some more info from her, if it is the same person.
Someone on here posted they have had some first hand experience with one of the breeders and offered to address specific questions for you.

Be sure to check the 'Breeder Review' section too--you may find something there on these or other breeders you are considering.:)

BamaFan121s:
Could you (or someone) exlain the reason they should not be bred to me please? I'm looking for a Yorkie and ran across a link to this old post on google.

The link to that section is Parents | rolinncfarms.com

Thank you.
Gran

i have talked to her through emails a few times and she seems nice

imo...leaving at 8 weeks doesnt make you a bad breeder..the marjority of breeders let puppys go at that time...there are breeders who feel they should stay longer...but its not necessary...even though they consider the 8-12th week as the month to b socializing them...the marjority of mother dogs stop looking at their babies as babies around 6-8 weeks and as competition for food, etc..

i also feel you cant judge some as a good or bad breeder for
1. letting go at 8 weeks
2. for breeding other breeds...im interested in more then one breed & if i didnt have little kids i would probably breed 1-2 more breeds...that doesnt make me a bad breeder...9now if they do 7-10 different breeds might be something to worry about)

I really couldn't tell you at this point...the comment was made almost a year ago and have no idea if the pictures of the dogs are even the same ones that I originally commented on.
I personally would not have bred the two in the pictures on the link you provided...but that's just my opinion. Someone else may see them differently.

Sadly you are right...many breeders are letting them go at that age. But when you consider the number of 'bad breeders' out there these days, 'that's what everyone else does' doesn't really hold true as a valid point.

Of course, this is something that there are a wide range of differing opinions on. Not everyone is going to agree on it. :)

And no, breeding more than one breed does not automatically make you a bad breeder, but it IS a common red flag that you'd want to look into.

Letting them go at 8 weeks of age does offer one other problem; innocculations aren't started until 8 weeks of age (per vet and pharmacutical recommendation. 8 weeks is when weaning begins (dangerous time for puppies) Most yorkies don't reach 2 pounds by that age and don't eat readily when placed in a new invironment....possibility of hyperglycemia is there when they are this age. So, as a breeder wouldn't you want to make sure that you minimize the possibilty of an emergency existing for the new family.......

Yes, 8-12 weeks is the socialization time for puppies.....mom's do alot of training......by the time my puppies go home they are vet checked at least twice, 2 sets of innocculations, eating well, piddle pad trained.

Neither yorkie is a good example of the breed standard. The kennel that the dogs are kept in would keep me away first. They are kept in tiny cages, way above the ground. I don't care how clean it's kept, how can a dog be a companion when it's locked up in a tiny cage? It's worse than being in jail.

I'm certainly no expert on breeding but looking at those pic's even I can see bad representations of the breed....I could even see that at night, in a dark alley, at 50 paces.......:eek: jmo

Sigh...yes, I have to agree.:(

i dont know the person that well
and the website i had seen before was different and still didnt have a lot of pics


i just found the link with the adults

hmmm....i have to agree that they are less then desirable

Well after reading your post(S) and others here about that site I got to wondering about how you and others could say that the dogs in the pictures were less than desirable.
I revisited and read the pages of their satisfied customers and saw that all of them were positive. I wonder if any of you saw those, probably not.

Many if not most here promote breeding dogs to the standard set for the Yorkshire Terrier. Therefore, any dog not meeting that standard--such as those in the pictures, apparently--is considered by many 'less than desireable' in regards to being used as breeding stock.
It doesn't mean the resulting pups aren't great pets that would result in 'satisfied customers,' but it doesn't mean it's a well bred dog conforming to breed standards either, which is what concerns many.

I was pretty sure about what you were 'wondering'--it is often the case when a loaded question like that gets asked by a brand new member.;)
I guess you could call it a trend.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...eder-info.html

I would go and take a second look now that I have put on my glasses, but the link doesn't work any more...Hhmmmm....

Ah I see...
But...This first post was not to see if the puppies were up to the "standard".

And what were your first words in reply?
The OP did not come here to look for a puppy...And did you give any of the good as requested?
Nope.
And then you say...
Well again you are right, I am a new member, I came across this thread in the back end stats of the website I maintained for my brother the breeder and was interested in knowing why you thought the two dogs shown "never should have been bred". I have been to their kennel and have seen the love and care they give to the puppies (and parents), and I have seen how they treat their customers and there is not one thing deserving of the badmouthing you and others gave.
Yes the site is closed, they opted to close it down due to the postings on this thread.

I guess you better take the link to it from your site off.

The OP came and asked for insight on the good and bad of the breeder. Bottom line, I and others gave our OPINIONS based on the info and what was made available from the site, as we have every right to do. If you do not agree, then you have every right to voice your opinion and share what you know as well, as you have done.

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The world is filled with breeders that love their dogs and treat them well.....However, there are breeders that really aren't breeding correctly; to improve the breed and leave it better than they found it. Which is why this forum is here, to educate people, on how to make the right choice in picking a breeder and a puppy. At times the posts may be a bit blunt. However, I saw none of the badmouthing you described; just fact stating as they saw it.

As the webmaster for the site you might want to consider that in advertising on the web you offer your "Wares" up for consideration to THE WHOLE WORLD, novice and expert alike. Whether the breeder is breeding to the standard is fundamental to whether they are a good breeder. This site happens to have many members that know the standard like the back of their hands. They were asked for an opinion and they gave it. Sometimes good people on two sides of an issue have differing opinions, but in this situation the people you are passing judgement on did not seek out the site, they responded with honest opinions.

The opinions were aimed at breeding practice, non-standard breeding, breeding at what appears to be a commercial level, and using wire crates. These are all indicators of a basic puppy breeding business. If you are in the business, and rely on the income to eat, you have to make decisions much differently than if you are breeding to improve the breed, it's just a fact of life.

Ro Linn C Farms Linn Cops and their Yorkies
 

:aimeeyork Hello, I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding . THEY ARE GREAT!! Harley is a PERFECT example of the Yorkie breed. He has a beautiful thick black coat and is around 5 lbs. He is very healthy and happy. Very well temperment. He came to me that way from the breeder. Very good manners, smart, very handsome. He's good with kids, other dogs, other animals, has no chewing, barking, biting, peeing issues. I think the breeder did a great job socializing him. I can tell the are good breeders by his temperment and his health. If you have any questions regarding Yorkies or want to see picutres, see MySpace.com - HARLEY - 90 - Male - Los Angeles, California - www.myspace.com/harleymcfaddenrules
:)

To set the record straight...
 

My name is Linsey and my grandparents own "Rolinn C Farms". I stumbled across this site and this post was on here and all of the negative things that were said was upsetting to me. They have been in the business for 5-6 years and take VERY good care of their dogs. I have been helping them since they started. Here is a little insite of a typical day that my grandparents do for these puppies and their breeding dogs.

Every morning (unless its too cold or too hot or even rainy), they take them out of their pens and let them play out in a fenced in yard. We keep the Yorkies and chihuahuas in separate yards. The smaller puppies are kept in a area inside the kennel on the floor so they can get some "exercise". I also seen were someone posted something about the "mixed breeds". We DO NOT mix breeds on purpose. The dogs sometimes climb the fences sparating the different breeds and it happened on accident. We havent had this happen in a VERY long time.

After the day is over, they are put in their sparate pins with a blanket in each pen. The kennel is equipped heat and AC and a humidifier. We give them "jerky treats" at the end of each day for being good dogs. :)

Im not saying that our kennel is the best out there by no means. Im just clearing the air by stating the truth. We love our dogs very much and are blessed to have them. All of my cousins (including me) play with the puppies everytime were over there. I can ASSURE you that they are well taken care of. Please take this into consideration before posting something that is negative. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Lindsey,

Thank you so much for giving insight to your grandparent's bussiness. I'm sure they love their dogs and care for them well. However, those two things do not make up a breeder that is breeding correctly.

Wire crates????? Oh, my!!!!!