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feminvstr 07-02-2005 07:46 PM

when docking tails I am always 3-5 days depending on their weights. An easy rule of thumb is shave the back of the tail where the brown ends and clip off 1/4-1/2" above the brown. I am not sure what others do but it works for me.

Laura 07-02-2005 07:48 PM

Thanks, and I agree with you completely. If my baby was terribly ill, I wouldn't think of coming to my computer. I would be in the car on the cell to the vet. I have beat my vet to the office a couple of times.

I just can't tell you all how much I appreciate all the advice you have given me, and I'm sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, I would never do that on purpose. Maybe I take things to personally sometimes.

lily 07-02-2005 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jer_lin
How many new mommys are ready to do this ever 2 hours nigh and day for a couple of weeks ?
jerry

Hi jerry We know how that feels and man it's no fun! lily

lily 07-02-2005 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wnalegria
I think that most of us old timers will tell you that if you do the whole thing right you might break even once in a while but most of the time- you are in the red. The first timer may have the luck and come out making a profit on that first litter- but I doubt that they spent any time picking out the stud- or they used thier own even if it was not a good match they used him to cut costs. What kind of prenatal care did the bitch have. Did they keep the puppies until 9 weeks of age at least and place two vaccinations and wormings in the puppies. Did you have the kids vet checked- did you send them home with a health certificate- did you give a warranty that covers the puppy for at least a year.

Have you ever turned down the client that you talked to on the phone/ or who is at your door with the money in hand. I have done it 4 times in the last 30 days- because it was not the right home for the puppy. The new owner want to be was not listening to a word I had to say and you could tell that they wanted the puppy because he was priced much lower then other puppies of the age and quality being advertised- but they did not want him for himself. They wanted a bargain that they were going to make fit into thier mold. Could I have used the money you bet. The right home will come along and I can sleep at night because I did the right thing for my baby boy. If he stays here and grows old with me so be it. How many of you have gave a puppy to a organization like " Make a wish" no strings just gave the puppy to someone who was ill just to make them happy- and wrote off any profit. There have been years that I did not breed a litter of pupies- there have been years that I have breed 2 and gave all but the ones that I wanted to a sick or terminally ill person- I will get the yorkies back if the adopting folks decide not to keep them. Thought I would share that with you for the person from this forum who left me the message on my website calling me a puppymill. They feel that I do not want others to breed- I just want to breed myself and make all that money. I just want you to use your head when you breed put time, thought and effort into the process.


Wnalegria

Break even!! What's that? I never break even! lily

yorkiegal719 07-03-2005 06:21 AM

Wnalegria, don't stop putting information in! There are questions that need to be answered before they are needed or asked. Even if they are not to be applied for years it's always good to know. I think the hard part for beginning breeder is that they are afraid to ask, because of some breeders, not necessarily here, who always seem to be downtalking to you if you ask questions. They make you feel like you shouldn't breed because you don't know what your doing, well they all started somewhere, and if they didn't have help how did they do it? My main peeve is that you really should strive for a better puppy than you have parents, right? But then how come breeders put a spay/neuter clause on their puppies, aren't they good enough? Better than the parents they bred? I personally would but the same clause in because I wouldn't want my puppies being used for a breeding situation all the time. But I think that by screening your new parents you would know what they intend to do with the puppy. I love listening to all the good info here from all the long time breeders, just excuse us if we ask dumb questions, we just need to know. But I do agree, ask before you need to...

YorkieRose 07-03-2005 07:40 AM

Laura
 
Laura
Vets ask the breeder because they do not know the standard for each breed..plus, many breeders like a Yorkie tail a bit longer or shorter. I remove the last third, but have had pups born with very short tails or long one and had to adjust my third.
Haven't you seen Yorkies with a Rottie docking..no tail left at all..just a stub?
It is best if the vet asks to be safe..they can not put it back on. LOL

You have to ask questions, how can you learn? I learn stuff all the time from other breeders here. I have alot of experince and hands on learning, but do not always know technical terms to relay..Kimberly and a few others do this so well. I will talk to you as if you were sitting at my kitchen table, others are more like an instructor..both ways are needed and both ways work.
The only thing that does not work, is a person leaving or not posting when they have so much to add.
Best wishes

Laura 07-03-2005 08:39 AM

Thanks Pat! You are always kind and patient. I appreciate all the advice you have given me. I do feel like I need a lot of reassurance that I am doing the right thing for Zowie and my babies. :hug:

Wnalegria, don't stop helping on my account. I need all the help I can get. I certainly don't think I know everything. You know, the more I learn - the more I know I don't know anything! ;)

Jane 07-04-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr
the daunting task of breeding and breeding correctly is never ending, a good breeder will always breed for quality not quanity.

A new breeder has to consider the life of her mom. Am I breeding for selfish reasons or am I serious about learning how to acheive the perfect pup? Is my darling little companion a strong sound canidate in every way for breeding or it doesnt matter mentality, I think she is cute, she will have cute babies?

For the first time breeder, the excitement of their first breeding for example all goes well whelping (lucky her/him) then what, you wake up to find a puppy death. The "I just wanted to breed her once so I could have another puppy" or "my friends all wanted one" or "I paid so much for her it would be nice to get the money back" theory is out the door.

this is a dated article but nonetheless its a rude awakening of what can happen before and after eventhough it seems you have a healthy litter, can you identify or relate to any of this? http://www.dogstuff.info/diseases_of...d_lanting.html

:dog: Thanks for this article. You say that it is 'dated' but it's full of information that is good to know. :thumbup:

Wrenee4 07-04-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Laura
Ok, I'll tell you this - when I took the pups in (I was still worried about how small my little one was and wether I should wait, he was still 3 oz) the vet checked and said he seemed fine. Then she asked me how long I wanted their tails? I was a little surprised she didn't know. Am I too hard on my vet?

Yorkies can have thier tails cut pretty short or a little longer. The vet most likely just wanting to know what you wanted. One of our females has the shorter tail and I would have to say when the pups come I'm going to for sure ask them to cut a little longer!

PrairieGirl 07-24-2005 09:07 AM

Hello, new here and LOVE this site!
 
I'm Lexy's mom and we're in Oklahoma. I've only been on for 20 minutes or so but already know I love this site. Info is easy to find and I don't hear anyone jumping down someone else's throat. That's refreshing. :D

Lexy is 3 years old (5#) and expecting her 2nd litter in 2 weeks. First litter she had only ONE. :rolleyes: I kept telling everyone it was a false pregnancy - she just didn't grow at all. But, this time she's definitely growing. This will/should be an average litter. We're excited.

Her first baby weighed 5 1/2 oz at birth - that was a biiig boy! He grew so fast I was sure he was going to be a 10 pounder. But, guess it was just the fact that he got all the nourishment from her because he stopped at about 6#.

I know what you mean about selling them. Had 2 $1000 offers on Scooter but instead we gave him to one of our sons and his family - 5 miles away. :thumbup:

We're having a bit of a problem with some too soft stools. I am planning to switch her to boiled chicken breast and her kibble along with the vitamins she already takes. Does this sound right. Any other suggestions?

Thanks from the Oklahoma PrairieGirl

speck103 07-24-2005 09:24 AM

Great topic
 
I am really glad to see so much information for a person like me who knows nothing. I am interested in breeding my male yorkie because I would like to have one of his pups. I have heard many bad things about this though. Is it true that if he is breed once, his temperment will change forever? What are some sources that I could go to for research and information? :confused:

Marie 07-24-2005 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PrairieGirl
I'm Lexy's mom and we're in Oklahoma. I've only been on for 20 minutes or so but already know I love this site. Info is easy to find and I don't hear anyone jumping down someone else's throat. That's refreshing. :D

Lexy is 3 years old (5#) and expecting her 2nd litter in 2 weeks. First litter she had only ONE. :rolleyes: I kept telling everyone it was a false pregnancy - she just didn't grow at all. But, this time she's definitely growing. This will/should be an average litter. We're excited.

Her first baby weighed 5 1/2 oz at birth - that was a biiig boy! He grew so fast I was sure he was going to be a 10 pounder. But, guess it was just the fact that he got all the nourishment from her because he stopped at about 6#.

I know what you mean about selling them. Had 2 $1000 offers on Scooter but instead we gave him to one of our sons and his family - 5 miles away. :thumbup:

We're having a bit of a problem with some too soft stools. I am planning to switch her to boiled chicken breast and her kibble along with the vitamins she already takes. Does this sound right. Any other suggestions?

Thanks from the Oklahoma PrairieGirl

Welcome to YT PrairieGirl. Congratulations in your soon to be born litter of puppies. Im not a breeder so im not able to help much. I just wanted to say that if she has soft stool will be best to contact your vet. YT has great breeders that will be able to give you great advise. I will love to see pics and hear stories of your little girl. Good luck and please keep us posted.

Laura 07-24-2005 06:45 PM

My little mommie had diarrhea for 4 days straight about 2 weeks after the pups. I took her to the vet who had me stop feeding her for 24 hours. Then she gave me a prescription diet of chicken and rice - 4 cans. She was fine as soon as I quit feeding her. Next stool was semi solid, one after was fine.

You might want to take her in to make sure she doesn't have worms or anything like that. The vet did do a stool check - it was fine. Good luck! My pups are 9 weeks old today - it has been so much fun. They are absolutely adorable!

Lady of Yorkies 07-26-2005 02:40 AM

I have questions too. But I am not an inexperienced breeder. I have bred Poodles and Cocker Spaniels. I was not in the mind frame I am in now and I am very worried about doing the wrong thing. To me Yorkies seem more fragile. I am on more than one Yorkie forum and most of the time when I ask a question I feel like I am being yelled at. There is no way I am going to let the person I feel is yelling at me know that I feel like they are yelling at me.

It is easy to misinterpet what is being said when you can't see the other persons face. And if you say the wrong thing because you think this person is yelling at you they might clam up just when they really had something you need.

wnalegria 07-26-2005 05:45 AM

male
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by speck103
I am really glad to see so much information for a person like me who knows nothing. I am interested in breeding my male yorkie because I would like to have one of his pups. I have heard many bad things about this though. Is it true that if he is breed once, his temperment will change forever? What are some sources that I could go to for research and information? :confused:

Each boy is different. But you can open Pandora's box when you decide to breed them. A male who has been housetrained mey decide to lift /hike his leg on everything and anything in the house once used for breeding. A male who has been used for breeding may decide to fight with other males in the household that were once his friends. Each fella reacts to being used for breeding in a unique way. There is no book that you can read or no way of knowing what his reaction will be and behavior changes.

You must be prepared to love his just as much after you use him for breeding as before. What hurts my heart is when a loved boy will loose his home because of changes that his owner can not accept. He did not ask to be used for breeding his owner chose that for him.

I use piddle pads in the house-but place a block of wood on several of them so the guys have something to hike the legs on works well they can have piddle contests. My pee pots who still want to piddle on things wear a belly band.

yorkiegold 07-26-2005 06:02 AM

This is a very timely thread.

What I would like to talk about is health screening. I posted a thread a week or so ago asking if breeders are utilizing the OFA Patellar Luxation certification. It seems like most breeders take the easy road and say it can be caused by an injury and they won't guarantee for it.

While I believe it's true that most Yorkies have some degree of LP (or most toys for that matter), testing for this seems to be extremely rare. OFA requires the puppy to be 12 months old for certification.

This is my own personal nit that I've been picking, but in general, what health screenings do you do? Which do you think are of value? Would you consider selling all puppies with LTD registration and converting it to a full registration at one year when the stifles have been graded? What if they want to show the puppy?

Thanks all,

CJ

wnalegria 07-26-2005 07:49 AM

Testing
 
It used to be that OFA would not certify hips and things until at least 2 years of age in the large breeds. Have they changed and stated 1 year for the small breeds. How many of us keep the puppy until two years. Ones that I keep sure that is great to have them tested.



Until you raise a litter of puppies and have once come back and see how the new ownwers have not followed your insructions and directions on how to care/feed- to help cut down on LP and other health issues you have no idea of the can of worms that you are stepping into. Many a breeder has thought they have placed a puppy in a good home only to find that the new owner will cut as many costs as they can in the name of the pocketbook and that anything that happens is the breeders fault regardless.

That is why I want to hear both sides of the story when a breeder is getting bashed for a deal that fell through or problems with a puppy. I also think that it is rather odd that some folks what every test known to man done on a puppy that they wish to purchase from you- but they want you to give the puppy to them- the old why are you asking so much. This is the same person who will buy the poor quality puppy who has had no care or breeding because of the almighty dollar and turn around and breed it. They will do none of the testing that you have done or any that they wanted you to do in addition will give no health warranty and ask the same for their puppies if not more when selling them.

Before I was diagnosed with cancer my part time (non paying job) was an advocate for handicapped children in the school systems. I had to sit down and look at the law-federal and state for Indiana. What the school was or was not providing for the child- what had been agreed to in the IEP- and what the parents were doing to meet the requirements. You soon learn to not take sides- be objective-be realistic and try and do what is in the child's best interest.

I follow this same rule in raising my Yorkshire terriers.

JCarlson2004 07-26-2005 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jer_lin
How many new mommys are ready to do this ever 2 hours nigh and day for a couple of weeks ?
jerry

Wow, that is a truly beautiful picture. What a blessing to help new life into this world.

hockeymom 07-26-2005 08:24 AM

I think this thread is great!

Since I want to learn everything I can before I breed my yorkies, this is another source for me to refer to when I have a question. Sometimes someone with hands on experience can explain something better than getting information from a book. Even though I have done this before with larger dogs, I do not have any experience with yorkies. I want to do everything I can to reduce the risk of a problem with the puppies and the mom. I also want to know everything I can about the breed, so that I have the best representation of the yorkie breed in my puppies.

I wish we would all treat each other with respect, quit preaching, admit we might be wrong, stop lecturing everyone, remember everyone has a bad day every once in a while, quit taking everything so personal, quit trying to always be right, and trying to prove someone else wrong. This is a forum made up of many different people, with different life styles, different opinions, and different beliefs.
I also don't get all the mean and uncalled for PMs going on. This is so childish and petty.

This is not a popularity contest.

SoCalyorkiLvr 07-26-2005 09:12 AM

I don't know about the "mean and uncalled for PMs" but it is sad of this is happening. I posted this a few months back and Ithink it is worht reading every so often to remind us.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5626

Yorkieville200 07-26-2005 09:28 AM

Hi, C.J.

Wow. I am really impressed with you. I am not a breeder, but have gotten my Yorkies through very reputable breeders, and none have ever excluded any genetic defects from their health warranty, not LP, not collapsing trachea, nothing.

My tiny Kia's breeder, has been breeding for over 30 years, with 53 champions to her credit. She knows her blood-lines and backs them up.

I hope to read more from you. :aimeeyork

Sheila

hockeymom 07-26-2005 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I don't know about the "mean and uncalled for PMs" but it is sad of this is happening. I posted this a few months back and Ithink it is worht reading every so often to remind us.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5626

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that thread closed!!!!

SoCalyorkiLvr 07-26-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeymom
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that thread closed!!!!

Yes, the thread was closed but...I am not sure why you mentioned that? It wasn't deleted and is still available to refer back to???? :confused:

yorkiegold 07-26-2005 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200
Hi, C.J.

Wow. I am really impressed with you. I am not a breeder, but have gotten my Yorkies through very reputable breeders, and none have ever excluded any genetic defects from their health warranty, not LP, not collapsing trachea, nothing.

My tiny Kia's breeder, has been breeding for over 30 years, with 53 champions to her credit. She knows her blood-lines and backs them up.

I hope to read more from you. :aimeeyork

Sheila

This sounds like the breeder who has been mentoring me. She guarantees them against genetic defects for 2 years and proves them in the show ring. She has set a very high bar for me.

And by the way, thanks for your kind words. Unexpected, but surprisingly appreciated!

CJ

yorkiegold 07-26-2005 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies
I have questions too. But I am not an inexperienced breeder. I have bred Poodles and Cocker Spaniels. I was not in the mind frame I am in now and I am very worried about doing the wrong thing. To me Yorkies seem more fragile. I am on more than one Yorkie forum and most of the time when I ask a question I feel like I am being yelled at. There is no way I am going to let the person I feel is yelling at me know that I feel like they are yelling at me.

It is easy to misinterpet what is being said when you can't see the other persons face. And if you say the wrong thing because you think this person is yelling at you they might clam up just when they really had something you need.

We were in the same position you're in when we whelped our first litter. We had years of experience breeding working breed dogs. We lost babies that first time because exactly as your intuition tells you, they are very fragile. They need to be kept warm and you need to be SURE they are nursing the first day especially, but for sure for the first three days. We had "tinies" the first litter weighing just around 2 oz. An experienced toy breeder would've brought them through but we misjudged. To our everlasting shame.

I didn't want to fuss over the mother too much, but the first 24 hours you need to take charge and make sure everyone's nursing and feels nice and warm to the touch.

Needless to say, if I can help you avoid these same mistakes, it will feel very, very good.

CJ

Yorkieville200 07-26-2005 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiegold
This sounds like the breeder who has been mentoring me. She guarantees them against genetic defects for 2 years and proves them in the show ring. She has set a very high bar for me.

And by the way, thanks for your kind words. Unexpected, but surprisingly appreciated!

CJ

Hi, C.J.

I suspect, you, in turn, will also "set a very high bar" for the breeders that follow in your footsteps. :) Kudos to you! You are just the kind of person the breeding world needs.

You are most welcome for the kind words, you deserve them. :aimeeyork
You will see that you will have the support of everyone that truly breeds, for the love of the breed.

Sheila

whispersmom2 07-29-2005 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laura
Ok, I'll tell you this - when I took the pups in (I was still worried about how small my little one was and wether I should wait, he was still 3 oz) the vet checked and said he seemed fine. Then she asked me how long I wanted their tails? I was a little surprised she didn't know. Am I too hard on my vet?

Laura, you have a good vet if your concerns are addressed in all areas as in the tail length.. My vet's routine is to cut much shorter than I like. I have taken the puppy, put my thumb nail exactly where I want it docked. They ask me that for each tail. I got to thinking and decided, hey, I am an old nurse. I can handle sterile instruments, I can put in a suture if needed, I have styptic powder. So, my mentor showed me how she does it and voila! One more happy Yorkie breeder. That would be MOI!!

Laura 07-30-2005 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whispersmom2
Laura, you have a good vet if your concerns are addressed in all areas as in the tail length.. My vet's routine is to cut much shorter than I like. I have taken the puppy, put my thumb nail exactly where I want it docked. They ask me that for each tail. I got to thinking and decided, hey, I am an old nurse. I can handle sterile instruments, I can put in a suture if needed, I have styptic powder. So, my mentor showed me how she does it and voila! One more happy Yorkie breeder. That would be MOI!!

Thanks Rini! My puppies will be 10 weeks old tomorrow. You are probably right about the vet. I was much happier when I took them for their 6 week shots. She checked their legs and ears (almost let one fall - but she caught her). I was just so worried about them back then, but now they are all bouncing beautiful babies and the entire office loves them. I guess noone can resist a yorkie. They act like they are the best babies they have ever seen. No crying or whining. Now if I didn't have to keep them all, I could be a breeder - but 7 is all I can keep, and my husband won't even agree to that. ;)

whispersmom2 07-30-2005 08:44 AM

I posted my reply to this thread in the middle of the night and had to check to see if I even sent the reply. I have another bit of info that I will tell anyone who is considering breeding and asking where they can find a good girl or boy. I ask questions that a breeder, whether new to breeding, experienced with other breeds or have just bought the "cutest little Yorkie puppy you ever saw!" and all my friends want one just like him/her.
Unless you have spent the past 1-3 years researching, going to shows, reading on the internet, talking to responsible breeders (not necessarily show breeders or handlers), and maybe making a nuisance of yourself by asking for the most minute detail AND still going to your mentor a lot, you are not ready to even take the first step of putting 2 dogs together to make puppies.
Breeding begins years before you buy a breedable Yorkie. You do yourself a favor but you do the breed as a whole a much bigger favor by making responsible decisions that will affect dogs you are responsible for the rest of their lives..


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