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Cerise 04-20-2010 06:28 AM
cruelty videos
 
Just got this article notice from The Washington Post:

Court voids law aimed at animal cruelty videos

The Associated Press
Tuesday, April 20, 2010; 10:13 AM



WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court struck down a federal law Tuesday aimed at banning videos that show graphic violence against animals, saying it violates the right to free speech.

The justices, voting 8-1, threw out the criminal conviction of Robert Stevens of Pittsville, Va., who was sentenced to three years in prison for videos he made about pit bull fights.

The law was enacted in 1999 to limit Internet sales of so-called crush videos, which appeal to a certain sexual fetish by showing women crushing to death small animals with their bare feet or high-heeled shoes.

The videos virtually disappeared once the measure became law, the government argued.

But Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, said the law goes too far, suggesting that a measure limited to crush videos might be valid.

In dissent, Justice Samuel Alito said the harm animals suffer in dogfights is enough to sustain the law.

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 06:49 AM
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

As awful as they are to look at we cannot bury the truth..It is the only way America will wake up to what is going on in this country. Thank goodness the Supreme Court believes in free speech..

Cerise 04-20-2010 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3093186)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

As awful as they are to look at we cannot bury the truth..It is the only way America will wake up to what is going on in this country. Thank goodness the Supreme Court believes in free speech..

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Wylie's Mom 04-20-2010 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3093186)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

As awful as they are to look at we cannot bury the truth..It is the only way America will wake up to what is going on in this country. Thank goodness the Supreme Court believes in free speech..
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Woogie Man 04-20-2010 08:27 AM
In this case, the defendant was selling videos of dog fights. He was not out trying to create awareness of animal cruelty. Here's a quote from an older story about this:

"Stevens was convicted in January of three counts of selling depictions of animal cruelty. He never denied selling tapes like "Pick-A-Winna," on which he described dogfighting like a sportscaster calling a televised boxing match".

Here's the link....

Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Selling dog-fighting videos - Pittsville, VA (US)

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 08:31 AM
Oh Crap...I must not have been awake this morning ...:mad:

Thanks for posting the link..:(

Woogie Man 04-20-2010 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3093367)
Oh Crap...I must not have been awake this morning ...:mad:

Thanks for posting the link..:(
Yeah, it puts a whole new slant on things, doesn't it? Just goes to show how badly written some of our laws are. And people keep saying...."there outta be a law". Do we really want more of these laws?

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3093375)
Yeah, it puts a whole new slant on things, doesn't it? Just goes to show how badly written some of our laws are. And people keep saying...."there outta be a law". Do we really want more of these laws?
I want laws that will protect the dogs...if that means new ones then so be it..but clearly the laws in this case are not protecting the dogs from fighting and then some pig making $$$ off of the blood sport..

Woogie Man 04-20-2010 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3093389)
I want laws that will protect the dogs...if that means new ones then so be it..but clearly the laws in this case are not protecting the dogs from fighting and then some pig making $$$ off of the blood sport..
Cindy, I do agree with you...just trying to point out how crazy some of these laws are and how we can't put blind faith in our lawmakers.

So, the way I'm reading the Supreme Court decision, we can look forward to more 'crush' videos? Geez, I'd never even heard of these before.

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 09:13 AM
I agree...we can't just :thumbup: or :thumbdown many of these laws because you never know who is benefiting from them...but in many cases it is not the animals.

It is interesting as a few states have lawyers for animals and they can practice in those states...I can't find the website I was looking for but I did stumble across these...but I have not studied them...

Lawyers For Animals
Animal Law Attorney, Lawyer, Attorneys, Lawyers and Legal Research Information - Lawyers.com
LIDA - Lawyers in Defense of Animals
Lawyers for Animal Welfare - Home
Animal Protection Law : About ALAW

Nancy1999 04-20-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3093375)
Yeah, it puts a whole new slant on things, doesn't it? Just goes to show how badly written some of our laws are. And people keep saying...."there outta be a law". Do we really want more of these laws?
Couldn't agree with you more on this. It looks like one person had on their thinking cap.
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In dissent, Justice Samuel Alito said the harm animals suffer in dogfights is enough to sustain the law."

Cerise 04-20-2010 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3093359)
In this case, the defendant was selling videos of dog fights. He was not out trying to create awareness of animal cruelty. Here's a quote from an older story about this:

"Stevens was convicted in January of three counts of selling depictions of animal cruelty. He never denied selling tapes like "Pick-A-Winna," on which he described dogfighting like a sportscaster calling a televised boxing match".

Here's the link....

Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Selling dog-fighting videos - Pittsville, VA (US)

So he was making dog fight videos to sell...not making videos telling about the abuse of dog fights :mad:

Goodness! He should have been convicted for promoting animal cruelty. This is where the laws need to be more detailed so people can't just water down issues and get away with horrible things under free speech rights.

Woogie Man 04-20-2010 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3093490)
So he was making dog fight videos to sell...not making videos telling about the abuse of dog fights :mad:

Goodness! He should have been convicted for promoting animal cruelty. This is where the laws need to be more detailed so people can't just water down issues and get away with horrible things under free speech rights.
Absolutely....the devil is in the details. My belief is that many laws are passed by uninformed legislators whose opinions are swayed by lobbyists and others with a slanted view. They (the legislators) often don't bother with finding out what is truly going on before enacting laws. Then you get badly written laws that are subject to challenge...and in the meantime, a trusting public moves on...thinking something good has been done.

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3093514)
Absolutely....the devil is in the details. My belief is that many laws are passed by uninformed legislators whose opinions are swayed by lobbyists and others with a slanted view. They (the legislators) often don't bother with finding out what is truly going on before enacting laws. Then you get badly written laws that are subject to challenge...and in the meantime, a trusting public moves on...thinking something good has been done.
Trusting or the lack of interest in really finding out? I don't know...I do think at one time I was very under educated about the laws, Washington, etc. I really wanted to believe the best in people and boy look at where we are today. The country is a mess, we are destroying people, animals and anything else in the name of $$$$. This is why America is angry and being a child of the 60's I see why much of this is coming back. I guess everyone got real lazy and thought the system had lots of checks and balances and guess what THEY DON'T.

Woogie Man 04-20-2010 09:47 AM
Thanks for the links, Cindy. I'll dive into them later.

I always figured that animals are considered 'property' and property laws would govern them in the absence of specific legislation. Federal law does supercede state law, however, and laws such as the one being discussed here would be considered 'law of the land'.

Just another example of why animal welfare doesn't need to be dumped on Washington. If they mess it up (as in this case), it gets messed up for everyone and is harder to undo.


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