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Originally Posted by Woogie Man  Nancy, I know it's sometimes hard to decipher a person's true meaning from typed words, but you seem to infer that Mr. Biewer somehow was more honorable in his development of the Biewer than Parti breeders. I don't see how you can say he 'wasn't just breeding for pets' as the Biewer could not be shown and he even had to shop around for a registry to paper them with. Also, in an earlier post, you mentioned something about parti breeders inbreeding and that you wouldn't recommend them. Just how do you think Mr. Biewer was able to develop his dogs without intensive in-breeding? He started out with only 2 and that was only in the 1980's. You just can't here from there without in-breeding.
I think the Biewer is a lovely dog, but honestly, the more I find out about them, the more confused I am. They either are/are not a Yorkshire Terrier; you either breed them with Yorkies or not..very confusing. I guess it will be some time before there's a shake out and things get set for the breed. In any case, they aren't recognized by AKC and, if I remember correctly, have been determined to be a mixed breed by at least one German registry.
I just say that in contrast to the Parti, which has been determined to be a Yorkie, has been around for many years, and is recognized by AKC. This is what makes your post puzzling.
I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.
I don't think any of us traditional Yorkie breeders are going to dissuade Parti and Biewer breeders. They certainly don't need my blessing to continue. I will just wish them well in their endeavors, different as they may be from mine.
I really get tired of this back and forth every time a Parti or Biewer thread pops up. I remember the thread where Tammy was having such trouble with Livi and her pups and folks came together then to offer help, regardless of their breeding program. I'd just like to see more of that spirit here than continually beating a long-dead horse. |
I can't comment too much on Mr. Biewer, it depends whom you read on the information you get, not too many Biewer clubs agree on the same thing. My point is that he did
seem to have a goal in mind, perhaps he was just a parti breeder, but from what I've read, he seemed to have a goal beyond breeding pets. I do believe some Biewer breeders have a goal beyond this as well, perhaps some parti breeders do too. There are some very interesting things I've read about the differences between Biewers and Yorkies, and who knows if these differences will prove to be true. You are correct that Mr. Biewer did do lots of inbreeding, and from my understanding some of the Biewer clubs, are very aware of the health risks, and do keep each other informed of some of ways to handle it, and test for it. That's why clubs that really are looking toward a future can be helpful, breeders who are breeding for the right reasons, are going to be honest in the things they learn, and not try to keep things hidden, because it will destroy their line. I agree with your comment:
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I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.
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You are not sure which breeder made the comment, but I agree the comment is a good one. I just see too many "carrier" pups pushed as breeders, and they have no other qualities besides being a carrier. I do not think a breeder should breed something out of standard to make her "colors pop". It literally makes me sick when I read something like that. I wish it didn't bother me.
Concerning beating a dead horse, we are constantly getting new members, lots of people joining every day, who know nothing about qualities to look for in a breeder and why breeding to standard is important, or even why you shouldn't breed your pet dog. I know when I joined Yorkietalk I read hundreds of threads before I ever posted on a thread, for most people there's no reason to post; they can get lots information by reading. If you believe you are beating a dead horse, than of course you shouldn't post, but I certainly don't think I'm beating a dead horse. All I can say, is that I'm so thankful, there were a few people here before I joined, and who weren't afraid of beating that proverbial dead horse.