[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Why do you want to argue?

Because you didn't get her point.

No -- she is not completely correct. I did not say she was wrong just that it did not work exactly that way when it applies to multi-color hair. Simplified, it really does not apply to what we are talking about -- multi-colors NOT just a BB/bb type situation. IF it was only a matter of BB/bb, then we would not see the completely out of character WHITE coat mixed in. That is the whole issue, not whether the dark color will be blue or black or whether blue or black is recessive or dominant but that there is an entirely different gene thrown in to the mix.

That is what I said. I said, and she said it was a very simplified version. I said there are other possibilities, she just used a very simplified example. There has to be a parti colored gene in there somewhere but it could have come from way back 100 years ago. Does a maltese even carry a parti colored gene. If it does then why are Maltese always white?.

And she did argue that the dogs were derived from a variety of dogs. She said and I quote, "Mutt implies cross breeding from other breeds- these animals are all yorkie. Some people are probably not understanding that the pari gene did not come from outbreeding with some other dog, such as a Maltese."

Well if you want to go that route then all yorkies are mutts because they all came from mixed ancestry. But once the mix found it's way to becoming a breed of it's own and was given it's own name, and people were only breeding yorkie to yorkie it ceased being a "mutt." All dogs are a mix of some sort way back before they started keeping records.

And the parti-gene DID come from another dog -- not the Yorkie. That is the point. Maybe that is what "some people are probably not understanding."

What makes you so sure of that? What evidence do you have to prove that? Why are you so sure that it is not part of the original yorkie make up? There could be a lot of yorkies out there carrying the parti gene but untill they are mated to another yorkie who also carries the gene, it will not surface. That is why the gene will show up in a championship line, because the breeders of champions are usually the ones who do the in breeding or close line breeding and then gene has to show up on both sides before it will surface.

I am sure you are very proud of your Parti-colors -- you have every right to be. Maybe you are personalizing this just a bit as others are trying to understand the details. It is sometimes difficult to stay focused on the science, the facts when something as passionate as dog ownership is involved. I certainly have nothing against them as another breed of dogs. To me they look more like a shihtzu than a Yorkie, but if they are their own breed, then that is great for them. I would never buy a Yorkie from someone who is also breeding for the parti-color. I would worry that somewhere the white would mysteriously crop up. I hope that if it does become its own breed, people like you are taking care and attention to detail will prevail over so many trying to capitalize on a fad and slip something in to artifically come up with a parti-color. The DNA science will have to get better to keep these unscrupulous tactics from ruining what you and others are trying to accomplish. Good luck to you!

I assure you that I am not personalizing this, I did my research, and where the original gene came from is still a mystery to everyone, but it has been there for a very long time. This is not something that my breeder created, and she has had her own line of champuion dogs for a very long time. I don't care if the eventually classify them as a breed of their own, or change the standards to include the parti color. That doesn't matter to me at all.

I am attempting to get people to understand how and when this gene appears and that it is not something that has happened in the recent past.

No one is ruining anything. These dogs will make their own place in the record books just as the original yorkies did way back when. I'm sure there were breeders back then that fought against them becoming a breed of their own too. But the might little terriers survived.