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What you fail to realize is WHO justifies just WHAT is credible and what is not??

Here is a guide to evaluating the quality and credibility of a source:
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handou...alsource3.html

My point is, that over time these trainers are being watered down at this facility in particular...just one example of many.

Maybe it’s simply due to trainers thinking they are above continuing to read articles, books, and studies.

As time goes by, the cycle of trainers they're producing has been greatly watered down by letting trainers in and pass that really shouldn't and it becomes a snowball effect...it's late, am I making sense on this?

I totally agree. I am very weary of most dog trainers these days, as many of the use abusive techniques (choking, leash popping, and long term daily crating). The “watered down” effect could be prevented if all trainers were required to read more about the methods of world’s top behaviorists.

Just because a trainers practises and results aren't "news worthy" (i.e. you don't see them in a book) doesn't mean that they aren't better or just as good.

I’ve never seen dog-training methods discussed on the news. Personally, I prefer material written by people with both degrees and many years of experience in the field. Typically, the authors use credible sources rather than ALL CAPS to support their theories.

So, I'd recommend that you continue reading your books and doing your thing and realize that you cannot foist your "bibles" on myself in particular and while this doesn't make me bad in any way, it simply is what it is.

I have no “bibles for you” (bibles are based on faith; the books I read are based on detailed observations and experiences). The book I suggested (The Social Lives of Dogs) is one of the most beautifully written books I’ve read in my life (that says a lot since I’ve read countless novels and non-fiction pieces). It’s written in a narrative form to make it both informative and exciting. My girlfriend and I both read it in two days because we couldn’t put it down.

I’m shocked: I came through with a huge favor by pointing out this gem, and you repay me with snide remarks? Where I come from, the response to being directed towards an amazing piece of literature is “thank you”, especially if it’s a book that could help improve my craft.

Please don’t be like our President and shun books. Those who think “I know it all” and don’t continue to research will always fall behind those with an open mind for learning.

I find it amazing that you would rather right large paragraphs about unrelated analogies than to provide just one or two quality sources to support your theories. Do you have a degree in your field (you could at least direct me to some of your school books)?

If I ever need a professional trainer, I would hope the trainer does not shun reading and learning. I would want the most cutting-edge and humane methods, and a trainer that doesn’t read up on the latest studies and techniques can not provide that.

you use TRAINING METHODS to teach him the desired behaviour.

Making obvious statements doesn’t justify abusive practices.

Crates are a WONDERFUL utensil in the safety and correcting of unwanted behaviours.

In my original comment, I said that 2 to 3 hours is the maximum time for a dog to be in there without a break. That means I would almost agree with your eight hour per day rule as long as the dog got at least a break part way through.

But when suggesting that eight hour per day, everyday, without breaks, is okay. That’s where the issue lies. That’s where the words “abusive” and “torture” have merit.

I will give you credit for back-tracking to “six hours for small breeds”. But even that, without at least one break, is considered inhuman by the true experts in the field.

There's no reason (unless your dog has an actual mental disorder), NONE, why you can't crate train your dog if needed or desired and any trainer that tells you otherwise is saying so, because they're not capable and that's fine. You've gotta know when you're over your head and pass that client over to the appropriate people.

Again, provide me with a single expert source that says daily eight-hour crating is healthy for a dog, and I will give your theory some consideration. Until then, don’t give out controversial advice until you have research to support it. I don’t trust anybody’s theories if they can’t find a single source to back it up.