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Originally Posted by JeanieK Debates can be very enlightening as long as it remains civil. I love a good argument with a worthy opponant. I should have been in debate.
I'm Actually enjoying the whole thing, mainly because I don't really care one way or another. I just want to know why Erin feels so strongly against Cesar Milan, when she really hasn't watched him enough to make a judgement.
I like his ability to change a dogs behavior just by educating the people on how dog packs work. As for training, I use a variety of methods, whatever works. I am interesting in loooking into the method that Whirlgirl mentioned. I've never heard of it. But if it works, hey I'm game for anything.
Right now we are working on down, that is a hard one, but the method I'm trying is one I had never heard about before. So we'll see. |
Jeanie,
First of all, how am I not being civil? Second, there is no way that you "don't really care one way or another" or you wouldn't continue this and argue with me on every thread. I just try to give my best advice and let you give your nonsense about a puppy doing puppy things because he doesn't respect them. I just hope my advice helps the person out.
The problem is that the research does not agree with what he says and does. So he is "educating" people incorrectly. The other problem is that I absolutely DO NOT agree with his methods. (The "bite your dog with your hand like a mouth" thing is ridiculous. Dogs KNOW we are not dogs. Some viewer is going to get their hand bitten if they keep that up.) You have to understand that these are OLD methods that most trainers do not follow any more. That is why positive trainers dislike him so much - they have come so far in helping dogs and the Cesar makes it "cool" to intimidate your dog. Why would you indimidate your dog into doing something rather than simply asking him? And if you don't believe that is what he is doing, then all I can ask you to do is your own further research because you will not believe just me saying it.
I have seen about 3 episodes. I choose not to see more because they make me sick. He uses flooding and other techniques that I consider to be cruel. I don't know how you can possibly expect me to like a show where the dogs physically show how stressed they are and Cesar is doing terrible things to them. I'm sorry but I suppose we will never agree. I have posted many different articles and book references to support my opinion. Others have posted similar things, saying they also dislike Cesar but you continue to attack me personally. You have posted nothing to back up your claim, you simply want to accuse me of being wrong. (I stopped posting over a day ago and you continue to try to provoke me.) Why should I continue to argue my point? I'm sure that no one else is reading this thread and gaining much from it any more. If I'm going to get attacked on every thread for giving positive training advice and pointing out obvious holes in Cesar's methods when they are suggested, I'm not going to post here any more.
If you *really* are interested in both sides, READ Patricia McConnell's The Other End of the Leash. It's not a "how-to" training book. It's a book about how to understand your dog better. That book belongs on every dog owner's book shelf.
I'm sure you'll have the last word, so go ahead...