[gemy]

Originally Posted by pixie dust

Hello everyone,

These post were brought to my attention, and I am grateful they were.

I would like to start off by saying I have NO idea who YTYLOVER is. At no point have I EVER been contacted by this person, and I have no idea what they are speaking about. I am leaning towards someone who is just looking to cause drama but, I will address it anyhow. If they wish to call me we can certainly talk in person.

There seems to be a few issues with their statement. A liver shunt certainly would have been evident before the 2 year mark-So if there was a liver issue I would be questioning the care this puppy was receiving. My contract's all state they must be fixed by 8 months of age at which time a blood panel is to be done. An issue would show up in the panel-vets will not spay if there’s a issue. CKC papers DO NOT get sent out to families until this has been done. To date every CKC paper has been sent to owners …meaning they all had to have fulfilled the agreement.

I certainly would love to speak to YTYLOVER and learn more, speak to their vet and get ALL the details. If what happened to this puppy is true I certainly want to know. I would like to speak to their vet / have my vet speak with him/her, see the reports and documentation to support their claim and if the case is supported, see what we can do to rectify the problem.

Although contacting me personally would have been appreciated, I cannot fix what I don’t know - It also saddens me to think with all the resources I have in this city, including accesses and working with the best vet's around …if there was a liver shunt we were not given the chance to help fix this puppy instead it was allowed to die ?

Have we ever had a puppy with a liver shunt? …we certainly did! Back in 2009 we had a litter pick puppy with a shunt that showed itself at 5 months. Surgery was done on that little boy and to this day he lives a very happy, normal life. So yes, to answer the question liver shunts can be fixed by surgery.
In that case we found that the Dam had a MVD and in turn, carried the genetic gene to produce liver shunts. (Her owner didn’t know and they didn’t bred her again) We quickly leaned many things about shunts / testing and how to TRY and prevent them. Reason I know a 2 year old would have presented signs if it were a true shunt.
A breeder who claims they do not have any issues, ever …is not telling the truth or has not been breeding long ! We have been in the breeding field more than 20 years .

We are certainly not perfect and never have claimed to be. Issues will arise but we do our best to take care of our families need ...many many years later. This is one of the reasons most come back to us for babysitting, Their 2, 3 and 4 th puppies and are regulars in our daily lives via facebook, emails , calls or just stopping in for coffee .
All of our breeding adults are heath checked yearly, blood panels and bile tested for shunts /MVD ,receive shots, de worming ect . Along with DNA testing for purebred status and color genetics …more than many yorkie breeders test for.
Sadly we are not God and we cannot control everything, Things will happen.


Katalina

It was very very heartbreaking to hear about Bella…I cried for days over the loss of Your Bella (Our Hunny Bunny ). Maybe things were misunderstood as the call of course, was very emotional for us both.
I had not heard from you since the adoption, other than when the city called to say they had found her and we got you reunited again
I was certainly in shock and devastated by the call …No one wants “that” call that one of your past fur kids has passed. I am certainly VERY VERY sorry if you felt I was condescending or rude, So much was running through my mind, I was in shock and heartbroken. Never ever did I mean to come across like that. I know you loved Bella like your child, completely and fully with all your heart. Thank you for loving her so deeply.

Bella was not a result of our breeding. She came to us from another breeder as a young adult yorkie. (Yes we have contact the previous Breeder to let her know , for her records what happened )
You knew she came from the US and were given both AKC (American) registration and CKC (Canadian) registration when Bella was taken home. Yes -we did bred Bella with hopes to produce for our program. The outcome was not what we hoped for our program and as a result we did not keep any puppies from her lineage. Bella was checked and tested before we bred her. Then as we do with all our adults, Bella was fully health checked, blood panels were done, she was spayed and her teeth were freshly cleaned before she was placed in her retirement home with you.

Bella was 11 years old when she passed away. There is no way for me to have known what a life span will be. When we place our retired adults we ALWAYS have them fixed, teeth checked/cleaned, shots up to date and health checked. We honestly do the best to make sure we know everything before they are placed into loving homes. We could never have known she would pass away 4 ½ years later at 11 years old from a heart attack. I wish I could make them all live forever, sadly I cannot.


Katalina please know I am deeply, deeply sorry for your loss. (I did try and contact you, but seems the information I have is old or incorrect) honestly cannot remember all of our call, I think the shock/sadness took over and things were misunderstood or I was not thinking clearly, but I apologize. No one is perfect, but I certainly try my best to be approachable and reachable at any hour for my families.
Over the 20 plus years of breeding I think I have proven that, and I will continue to work on that.
Bella (Hunny Bunny ) was a amazing funny little girl, that made sure to get your attention and wanted to be close and held all the time
Everyone that met her loved her, we did share the sad news with our families and on facebook and she was special and much loved.

Should anyone wish to contact me directly please feel free to do so


Sincerely Cindy

Cindy I am glad you decided to respond. But to make a couple of things clear 1) LS can be undiagnosed even up to and after 2 yrs old 2) pre op sterilization blood work does not screen for LS or MVD. Bats testing does.
Unfortunately most breeders do not pre screen their breeding pairs - nor recommend that their puppy owners have their pups screened at 6mths old.


In terms of holding back registration paperwork as per the CKC website.


Any breeder selling a dog as purebred must register the dog and provide the new owner with the registration certificate within six months of the date of sale – this is the law, as required under the Animal Pedigree Act.


Please note that this does not say on proof of sterilization or if you like term spay and neuter. The CKC urges us to sell on a S+N contract but does not stipulate (when) this should be done - nor stipulates that we withhold registration papers until it is done.
I have never purchased a purebred dog from a CKC breeder without signing the paperwork transferring ownership to me at the time of sale/pick up of my dog and nor would I contemplate purchasing a dog from a breeder unless that is done..


Quite frankly that decision is a medical one - rightly made by the pet owner and the vet.


I sell my dogs on a non breeding contract. The decision to S or N and the timing of same is up to the pet owner not me. And 6mths old is way too young for many breeds of dogs.