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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly  As a potential puppy buyer, I would prefer to get an older puppy that has spent more time with its littermates and mother than just 6 or 8 weeks and 16 weeks sounds perfect to me. There is plenty of time to adjust to and train a dog after that and I have the rest of my days to spend with it. All of the training and behavior clues my puppy can get from mommie and siblings those first 4 months can only be more helpful to pup so I will gladly wait for my next pup. And that is not to mention the hypoglocemic issues and other things you can't spot in a very young pup. I'm for bringing home an older pup. |
I actually prefer older puppies myself. I actually prefer adults, lol. Before Pixie there was an adult yorkie I was working with the owner on, but it didn't work out, and an elderly Papillon that also didn't work out.
The Yorkie went back to his breeder, as it was never set in stone, and I advised them to check with the breeder first, before I headed to go and get him, and I didn't get the paperwork in on time for the Pappy.
I actually haven't noticed much difference between puppies raised with and without siblings, except, (and there are going to be many that disagree) in the negative, as I have noticed that pups raised with siblings can be "pack bound" and insecure/fearful without their sibs to "back them". Not all of them are... But enough for me to note a difference. Again, this is with non toys. I have the thought that perhaps because of the coddling we tend to give tiny cute dogs, that it is perhaps the opposite with toys when they are with their littermates.. But then again, sometimes they don't have littermates, as I have stated, singltons are not uncommon.
I am not knocking anyone for making this choice, I am trying to understand it. My experience compared to theirs, and coming to an understanding.. Like driving in Europe. Yes, the mechanics are the same, but the experience is different. I am trying to understand the difference.
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 Very good points! I don't understand where this notion that an older dog doesn't bond, or learn well from it's new owners. Mine was definitely not a puppy, and he is almost perfect. Most of his issues are brought on by fear, and even those are fading. Any dog can be taught to be an amazing companion. |
I agree, that is a lot of bollocks. Some of the BEST dogs are ones that came to me as adults. Tank comes to mind.. I mentioned him here before. Velvet was 9 when I got her, and for 4 years, my perfect companion. Even those I have gotten younger at 2-6 years old bonded with me, and I with them.
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver I think this could be an interesting discussion if it were conducted with some trust and humor on both sides, which I don't think will happen.
However, Belle Noir, you say that in your experience, small dogs have the worst bite inhibition - this could argue that small dogs SHOULD have an extra four weeks to learn inhibition, since they apparently don't pick up on it as quickly.
BTW, I totally disagree with your comments on Cesar Milan, but since that doesn't appear to be the main thrust of your post, I won't comment further. There's lots of discussion on this topic in Training. |
I have a sense of humor!! I promise I do!!! Sadly, though, there are some that think I have an agenda, or something. I actually posted this because I wanted to hear the reasons, and have a conversation on them. I have given my experience, and why I think somethings don't make sense to me. But I am willing to listen and to learn from those that have a greater amount of experience in this breed than I do. I am trying to take advantage of the collective experience of the people here on YT and LEARN. And for me, learning doesn't mean taking things at face value, it means asking questions. And some of those questions are going to fall outside of the party line, and make some uncomfortable. I'm sorry for that, but I am here to learn and that means asking uncomfortable questions sometimes.
Health reasons should above all be the number one concern for any breeder and any buyer. Hypoglycemia should be a great concern, especially for the tinies. And that makes sense to me.
It's the other reasons I'm having trouble grokking.. And part of it is my lack of experience with Yorkies.
As for having another 4 weeks with littlermates to learn bite inhibition.. That would depend on if the puppy was with their littermates for 12-16 weeks, or not.
That would actually be an interesting survey... Do you have a toy dog? At what age did you acquire your toy dog? Is your toy dog nippy towards others? lol
I think that we can agree that most people that train dogs, do it because they feel they are doing the best they can to help dogs. Even if we don't agree on their training methods... By the way, look up Charlie Murphy Cesar Millon on youtube... If you can find it, it is just about the funniest thing I have ever seen said about him.
Thank you everyone I have answered so far. I would continue, and I will, but I have to get ready for my class. I haven't yet read all the replies, but I will.
I appreciate those of you that see my asking this as a way for me to gain knowledge, and didn't automatically feel as though I am trying to start trouble. And I greatly appreciate everyone who did answer me.
Even though I haven't read all that was posted yet, those posts I have read have given me something to think on., so again, thank you...
And I'll see you all in a couple hours.