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ElainaS · 04-05-2011, 04:14 PM

Now you claim also to have sent information to me UPS and you have tracking proving i received it..PLEASE POST IT HERE. I have never'd rec'd anything but an envelope via USPS with your initial vet records..(that you mail after scanned copies were fuzzy) and you said had done a phone consult with the specialist office to get details and pricing estimate. You sent me scanned copies via email which were not very legible and so you mailed me a copy (i never claimed to have not received them as you are stating) another untruth for lack of a better word.

There are so many lies posting cannot possibly post all the email to prove what I am saying but here are a few more points I would like to make. You claim you had not interest in breeding but was only milding interested..well is your very first email I ever received from you.
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From:PuppyFind.com (buyer@puppyfind.com)Sent:Mon 11/16/09 4:20 PMTo: elainas@hotmail.com

Looking for a male to breed with a miniature schnauzer female for Schnorkie puppies. Can you send his exact measurements along with details on the coloring and temperament of him and his parents. Thanks, (xxxxxxx)

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Yet you are trying to make it sound like I convinced YOU to breed by saying his was breeding quality. What a crock! That is why you emailed me LOOKING FOR A STUD. I told you he was not breeding quality for my Yorkies due to his size and I would not be using him as a regular stud as I'd intended because of that. You asked him size, and stated he looked ideal to go with your new white female pup you were purchasing.You also stated I convinced you to accept a replacement pup but later changed my mind. You have quite the imagination. I did not need to convince you of anything, it was your choice and based on conditions, which you did not fulfill. You are negating that fact by representing that you sent me 3 vet reports, one from a specialist that you had not even seen when i last spoke with you. THOSE are the FACTS. You told me they advised you to wait until he stabilized but further testing and before being fixed. So you would not be any more testing for some time. That was IT. But now you claim to have sent me records and have tracking information. Again, I implore you to share that informtion so that i too can confirm this tracking and anyone here who wants to know the truth. Please. And all this about my not furnishing you his AKC papers is bull, you purchased him Pet only and never wanted his papers until he became ill and requested them to look into his background. Information which I promptly furnished and even sent you copy of his pedigree that I'd gotten from the breeder.

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rainbowpink3@hotmail.com) http://sn137w.snt137.mail.live.com/mail/clear.gifSent:Thu 3/18/10 11:50 PMTo: elaina s (elainas@hotmail.com)

Did Elvis ever have a seizure in his time with you? I had to take him to the emergency vet tonight because he seemed to have had three I guess mild seizures, shocking and scarey as far as I'm concerned though. If in the event he had had a similar incident with you, I'm not asking to find out because I want to return him or anything. I'm (my family as well) very attatched to Elvis and he is very attatched to us at this point. It would be a HUGE help to our vet. though to know of any previous history of him having seizures or similar episodes, although the vet. said it is very common with some seizure disorders that they appears after the dog is about two years old. If you could let me know whom you adopted Elvis from, so I could find out about the genetic history of his parents, again its all about reaching the correct diagnosis for what is going on with him.If need be I'll purchase his AKC papers from you to get the genetic history if that's the only route, but just being able to send an email or call and ask someone about possible genetic disorders that have cropped up in his liniage would be the fastest way to diagnois and get treatment for Elvie (we call him Elvis and Elvie) rather than tests, or trial and error, or just waiting to see if this happens again. I'm really sorry to be getting back to you with such unpleasant news; nevertheless, Elvis seems to be recovered completely from the seizures, and apparently that's what the vet says is the most important with seizures is the ability to recover and maintain the same level of function as before the event. Please get back to me as soon as possible with any information you have from his time with you, the breeder or person you adopted him from, or about his papers, so I can research his lineage that route if needed. -Sxxxxxxx (full name removed by Mod) P.S. I'd assume you want the difference in price from $700 for him without and $900 with papers so $200 for papers? I'm just genuinely concerned with Elvis being diagnosed and treated correctly right now.
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and my REsponse was this email
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Hi Shxxxxn. I actually got your email this morning and was very shocked at what you are writing. Just getting back because I wanted to wait until I got home from work so I could look up the info you needed. To answer your question, No, he has never had any type of seizures while he has been here with me and I have had him since he was a pup. And for him to have 3 so close together I am wondering if there is perhaps another explanation, if maybe it could be something that he has gotten into or eaten perhaps.?? I would definitely like to know what you find out since I have pups from him that are only a few weeks old now and I would want to know if there are any problems with his health that might carry on with them. As I had mentioned, I bred him to one of my females before he was sold and I was actually thinking of keeping one of them. In the meantime, I have looked up the info on the breeder that I purchased him from and here is her information and phone number so you can look further into his background. And again, please let me know if you find out anything helpful. I am very sorry the little guy is going thru this, as you know, I loved him very much and he is such a good dog, I hope this is not something that will be a recurring problem for him. Here is the info I have on him:

His formal AKC name is: Shelborne's Life of the Parti-Boy

Sire is: Lil Bit of White Boy
Dam is: Cassie's Lady Belle (both owned by the breeder)
Breeder is: XXXX XXXXXXXXX

(Breeder's name, address, phone# and email were here)
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So why are you asking me for AKC papers to trace his lineage and offering to pay for them, if you claim that I had promised you his paperwork but never sent it???? The information you requested on the parents was emailed you and the AKC papers were never mentioned after this email. So why are you lying??He was sold as a pet and you said you did not want his papers even limited until this came up, and now it is a WHOLE different story.? You certainly make a good case..Too bad it all a pack of lies!! But whatever, serves your purpose right?? God help your soul. I will pray on it, and leave it to the Lord. That is all I can say at this point, as it is obviously pointless to argue with someone who has little or no scruples and little conscious when it comes to telling the truth. As long as the end serves the means right??
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04-05-2011, 04:14 PM	#58
ElainaS Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ellendale DE US Posts: 14	To ConcreteGurl from Elaina Now you claim also to have sent information to me UPS and you have tracking proving i received it..PLEASE POST IT HERE. I have never'd rec'd anything but an envelope via USPS with your initial vet records..(that you mail after scanned copies were fuzzy) and you said had done a phone consult with the specialist office to get details and pricing estimate. You sent me scanned copies via email which were not very legible and so you mailed me a copy (i never claimed to have not received them as you are stating) another untruth for lack of a better word. There are so many lies posting cannot possibly post all the email to prove what I am saying but here are a few more points I would like to make. You claim you had not interest in breeding but was only milding interested..well is your very first email I ever received from you. _______________________________________ From:PuppyFind.com (buyer@puppyfind.com)Sent:Mon 11/16/09 4:20 PMTo: elainas@hotmail.com Looking for a male to breed with a miniature schnauzer female for Schnorkie puppies. Can you send his exact measurements along with details on the coloring and temperament of him and his parents. Thanks, (xxxxxxx) -------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent via the PuppyFind.com Contact Seller form. To reply to this this buyer, please email rainbowpink3@hotmail.com. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not represent those of PuppyFind.com. Please report any spam abuse to support@puppyfind.com. _______________________ Yet you are trying to make it sound like I convinced YOU to breed by saying his was breeding quality. What a crock! That is why you emailed me LOOKING FOR A STUD. I told you he was not breeding quality for my Yorkies due to his size and I would not be using him as a regular stud as I'd intended because of that. You asked him size, and stated he looked ideal to go with your new white female pup you were purchasing.You also stated I convinced you to accept a replacement pup but later changed my mind. You have quite the imagination. I did not need to convince you of anything, it was your choice and based on conditions, which you did not fulfill. You are negating that fact by representing that you sent me 3 vet reports, one from a specialist that you had not even seen when i last spoke with you. THOSE are the FACTS. You told me they advised you to wait until he stabilized but further testing and before being fixed. So you would not be any more testing for some time. That was IT. But now you claim to have sent me records and have tracking information. Again, I implore you to share that informtion so that i too can confirm this tracking and anyone here who wants to know the truth. Please. And all this about my not furnishing you his AKC papers is bull, you purchased him Pet only and never wanted his papers until he became ill and requested them to look into his background. Information which I promptly furnished and even sent you copy of his pedigree that I'd gotten from the breeder. Email in question below________________________ Fromrainbowpink3@hotmail.com) http://sn137w.snt137.mail.live.com/mail/clear.gifSent:Thu 3/18/10 11:50 PMTo: elaina s (elainas@hotmail.com) Did Elvis ever have a seizure in his time with you? I had to take him to the emergency vet tonight because he seemed to have had three I guess mild seizures, shocking and scarey as far as I'm concerned though. If in the event he had had a similar incident with you, I'm not asking to find out because I want to return him or anything. I'm (my family as well) very attatched to Elvis and he is very attatched to us at this point. It would be a HUGE help to our vet. though to know of any previous history of him having seizures or similar episodes, although the vet. said it is very common with some seizure disorders that they appears after the dog is about two years old. If you could let me know whom you adopted Elvis from, so I could find out about the genetic history of his parents, again its all about reaching the correct diagnosis for what is going on with him.If need be I'll purchase his AKC papers from you to get the genetic history if that's the only route, but just being able to send an email or call and ask someone about possible genetic disorders that have cropped up in his liniage would be the fastest way to diagnois and get treatment for Elvie (we call him Elvis and Elvie) rather than tests, or trial and error, or just waiting to see if this happens again. I'm really sorry to be getting back to you with such unpleasant news; nevertheless, Elvis seems to be recovered completely from the seizures, and apparently that's what the vet says is the most important with seizures is the ability to recover and maintain the same level of function as before the event. Please get back to me as soon as possible with any information you have from his time with you, the breeder or person you adopted him from, or about his papers, so I can research his lineage that route if needed. -Sxxxxxxx (full name removed by Mod) P.S. I'd assume you want the difference in price from $700 for him without and $900 with papers so $200 for papers? I'm just genuinely concerned with Elvis being diagnosed and treated correctly right now. ___________ and my REsponse was this email _______________________ Hi Shxxxxn. I actually got your email this morning and was very shocked at what you are writing. Just getting back because I wanted to wait until I got home from work so I could look up the info you needed. To answer your question, No, he has never had any type of seizures while he has been here with me and I have had him since he was a pup. And for him to have 3 so close together I am wondering if there is perhaps another explanation, if maybe it could be something that he has gotten into or eaten perhaps.?? I would definitely like to know what you find out since I have pups from him that are only a few weeks old now and I would want to know if there are any problems with his health that might carry on with them. As I had mentioned, I bred him to one of my females before he was sold and I was actually thinking of keeping one of them. In the meantime, I have looked up the info on the breeder that I purchased him from and here is her information and phone number so you can look further into his background. And again, please let me know if you find out anything helpful. I am very sorry the little guy is going thru this, as you know, I loved him very much and he is such a good dog, I hope this is not something that will be a recurring problem for him. Here is the info I have on him: His formal AKC name is: Shelborne's Life of the Parti-Boy Sire is: Lil Bit of White Boy Dam is: Cassie's Lady Belle (both owned by the breeder) Breeder is: XXXX XXXXXXXXX (Breeder's name, address, phone# and email were here) ______________________________________ So why are you asking me for AKC papers to trace his lineage and offering to pay for them, if you claim that I had promised you his paperwork but never sent it???? The information you requested on the parents was emailed you and the AKC papers were never mentioned after this email. So why are you lying??He was sold as a pet and you said you did not want his papers even limited until this came up, and now it is a WHOLE different story.? You certainly make a good case..Too bad it all a pack of lies!! But whatever, serves your purpose right?? God help your soul. I will pray on it, and leave it to the Lord. That is all I can say at this point, as it is obviously pointless to argue with someone who has little or no scruples and little conscious when it comes to telling the truth. As long as the end serves the means right?? _______________________________ Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 04-05-2011 at 08:30 PM.