Oh wow.... this thread gives me the "creepies". We just had our second Aussie litter and I have to say that the 15 minutes that the 5 pups spent with the vet with Mom waiting outside was WAY easier than doing this all myself. I love our vet though and he docks them just perfectly. I say leave it to the vet IF if you trust him/her or get a lot stronger than I am to do it yourself! More power to ya'll!!