[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I haven't really read anything in this thread that makes me feel much more clear about the original concern and the volume of breeding . I'm actually feeling a little dazed over the contradictory info.

Does anyone understand the concern that for YEARS here at YT, it has been posted over and over and over that "Oh no! You should not breed that dog, it is out of standard!" --and-- "you should have that dog evaluated by a show breeder".

Well . Now we're hearing that show breeders believe "yes, it's fine to breed out-of-standard as long as you're breeding TO standard and know your lines" -- firstly, this goes against so much of what has been said here at YT. Second, how would any breeder know their own out-of-standard breeding 'results' unless they've bred out-of-standard often enough for it to be predictable!? And if out-of-standard breedings can result in TO STANDARD, then I no longer understand why we hear at YT constantly "this dog is out of standard and shouldn't be bred".

Also, I don't understand so often hearing "well, a show breeder should evaluate all potential breeding prospects, but it is out of standard already - so, actually, it should not be bred or shown" -- bc now (after all these years) I'm reading the opposite right here in this thread.

And for years, we hear an exhibitor is only supposed to breed every couple years (for their own, specific program needs)...and now...that all changed with this thread. So, which is it? That exhibitors should only breed every couple of years? Or, that it's (quote) impossible to develop a champ line unless breeding 10 litters a year (end quote) (as someone specifically stated in this thread)?

I am genuinely confused by all the incongruities and contradictions, I really am. I would be happy if people have the answers and can explain it...I just really want to understand this. And, I mean no disrespect whatsoever to anyone on this thread; rather, I appreciate the willingness for a discussion.

I'm seeing what I think are double standards on this thread. A person can have the *most* beautiful facilities on the planet, however, if they are churning out litters, they are *churning* out litters - no matter how many ways people try to re-frame it.

First, I understand your confusion....but you can not breed "out of standard" to standard if know your lines...might get away with it once in awhile, but cream rises to the top.
AND...what "out of standard fault are we talking about? A bitch that runs too light or a poorly structured bitch, back and front...BIG difference. No Yorkie is perfect, there will always be faults...and you breed to correct these faults from Yorkies with a long line of winners behind them and ones with easier to corrected faults..color is very easy to correct..structure is not...try to reduce the ear size on a Yorkie with huge easty/westy ears and you will grow old doing so...remove that Yorkie from your program...remove bad bites, poor temperament...but if the eye is a bit too round or too big, the tail set is a bit low, pigment could be darker, muzzle a touch too short or long..IMO it would be a mistake to remove these dogs...breed to a terrific stud known to correct these problems.

I do not know who told you that a good breeder only breeds every couple of years...this is simply not true. It may take 4 litters in one year to produce the 2 or 3 champions a breeder will want to show for the next 2 yrs...I have a friend with a litter from a super breeding...she has 3 small girls..one might make 5 pounds, but 2 will stay under 4...she is getting ready to breed another litter in hopes of a male to show...if she is smart I think she should go for two more this year to ensure several potentials..that is what most do...as I recall Parkside finished 10 one year...how many litters do you think that took?..and is it wrong to produce champions to ensure the continuance of the breed..I do not think so...and where do nice pets come from...I just wish the good breeders could supply enough to put the miller out of business.