[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I haven't really read anything in this thread that makes me feel much more clear about the original concern and the volume of breeding . I'm actually feeling a little dazed over the contradictory info.

Does anyone understand the concern that for YEARS here at YT, it has been posted over and over and over that "Oh no! You should not breed that dog, it is out of standard!" --and-- "you should have that dog evaluated by a show breeder".

Well . Now we're hearing that show breeders believe "yes, it's fine to breed out-of-standard as long as you're breeding TO standard and know your lines" -- firstly, this goes against so much of what has been said here at YT. Second, how would any breeder know their own out-of-standard breeding 'results' unless they've bred out-of-standard often enough for it to be predictable!? And if out-of-standard breedings can result in TO STANDARD, then I no longer understand why we hear at YT constantly "this dog is out of standard and shouldn't be bred".

Also, I don't understand so often hearing "well, a show breeder should evaluate all potential breeding prospects, but it is out of standard already - so, actually, it should not be bred or shown" -- bc now (after all these years) I'm reading the opposite right here in this thread.

And for years, we hear an exhibitor is only supposed to breed every couple years (for their own, specific program needs)...and now...that all changed with this thread. So, which is it? That exhibitors should only breed every couple of years? Or, that it's (quote) impossible to develop a champ line unless breeding 10 litters a year (end quote) (as someone specifically stated in this thread)?

I am genuinely confused by all the incongruities and contradictions, I really am. I would be happy if people have the answers and can explain it...I just really want to understand this. And, I mean no disrespect whatsoever to anyone on this thread; rather, I appreciate the willingness for a discussion.

I'm seeing what I think are double standards on this thread. A person can have the *most* beautiful facilities on the planet, however, if they are churning out litters, they are *churning* out litters - no matter how many ways people try to re-frame it.

Theoretically, a 7 pound 1 ounce female is over standard. I've been reading the breeding forum for years now, and the question often comes up, "Can I breed a bitch over 7 pounds?", the answers have come from many breeders here that I consider knowledgeable, and the answers are complex, and involve taking many things into the equation. I thought I could present the short answer with what are you breeding To, or what is the goal? In other words, if the breeder were breeding to create larger dogs, this would be considered breeding for a fault; she's isn't doing that. Can you understand the difference?

The dog that is considered to be the Father of the Breed, Huddersfield Ben was over 13 pounds, but consistently threw pups under 7lbs, which enabled the Yorkshire terrier to enter the toy class. A prize-winning dog should never be breed again, if it produces dogs way out of standard, and yes, there is a learning process. That's why I always tell YT members you don't buy from a good breeder because you want a show dog, or because you need status, you buy because you believe in the breeding program and what they are doing. You have to ask your self what is the GOAL of this breeder? Do you know how easily it would have been for the breeder in question to have lied, and just answered "No", she knows enough about breeding to know this isn't a bad thing.