[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I will add "champion" doesn't always mean that much either. Someone recently posted their dog/puppy won some championship but noted their dog was the only one in that category...thus a pot-bellied pig may have gave it a run for their money. Yes, people should ask questions, No, people should not say one disparaging thing about another breeder without first hand knowledge, as what goes around comes around, and Never say someone isn't a good breeder of puppies due to the terminology they choose to use. But I believe in fairness and assuming the best until proven otherwise.
Kendra

You seemed to be confused about a few things, a dog does not win his championship by wining one show. If he's the only dog in a show, he doesn't win ANY points that go towards a championship. Also according to your next post, you seem to think we are saying that we think a puppy buyer should buy a dog that comes from champion stock, this is incorrect, I've been trying to say that a puppy buyer should look at the breeder and their breeding program, and what their goals are in breeding. If a breeder doesn't know what they are doing, breeding two champions won't even produce a good of an example of the breed, it takes more than champions to produce good examples, you also have to understand genetics and how to correct problems. Breeders who use lots of marketing terms are in the business of selling dogs. Good breeders could care less if you buy one their dogs, they aren't in the business of selling dogs.

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I kinda see where this is going. One post will say (essentially) that if a puppy doesn't come from "champion stock" it's not as good as one that doesn't (so new buyers look for that), the next will say the breeder shouldn't mention the bloodlines --- Seems like a person is damned if they do, damned if they don't. My whole point is new buyers should look at the pup they intend to buy and speak with the breeder, not concern themselves so much with all the "marketing wording" because it's really a "toe-may-toe"/ "tah-ma-toe" thing. Depending on one's locale.
Like I said, if someone asks about bloodlines, it just seems "easier" to say "champion bloodlines" and IF they want more details, then one can specify whether the pups are "champion-sired", etc The person's website that the original post discussion was basically accusing the person who stated on their website "CHAMPION BLOODLINES" was only using a "marketing ploy" - how could they - or anyone - know those weren't close relative champion lines without actually meeting the breeder, etc? AND, that it isn't right of anyone to disparage a breeder strictly on their choice of wording on their website. So you're right 'education' is important, as long as it's accurate.
Someone could say, "if champion lines are so important to the quality of a pup, then if you don't mention it, you must not breed quality dogs" --- see where I'm going?
No one can (intelligently) say that a puppy from a breeder is not quality based strictly on a website's brief introductory wording, it's wrong to do so, it is not education, it's misleading...it's just ignorant to make statements about a particular breeder without first hand knowledge.

Until my previous post I never mentioned the details of my pups' lines as I didn't think it was the priority, rather their exceptional good health, temperament, great conformation, and other details is what I also initially choose to talk about, but for those that bloodlines are important, I would initially choose to the words, "champion bloodlines" - the details of those lines?...here's their pedigrees, see for yourself.
The other person's post about the price determines the quality is also wrong. I seriously do want my pups to go to a good and loving home first. I've made the decision to sell them for less to help assure they will be sold while young and will more readily bond to their new owner. It isn't all about the money. I can't keep them all. But now I'm thinking of raising their prices so people don't "learn" from the education from these postings that somehow a pup selling for less than 1500/1000 couldn't possibly be healthy and of high quality. Why shouldn't someone be able to have one of my pups for under a $1000 and still receive a high quality puppy? I don't need to sell them for a high price "just because I could" --
I guess I just want true and accurate "education" out there, not picking other breeders apart when someone doesn't 'personally' know anything about them or their dogs. It's wrong, it's petty, it's so junior-high school. Sorry, when I hear someone say 'their choice of wording means their puppies aren't worth buying' I immediately reject their other "education" because simply put, they are wrong about that, thus possibly wrong about anything else they say. So for those who "truly" want to educate...just speak the truth...the truth they have "first hand" knowledge about. That's all I ask of those who "choose" to "educate".
Kendra