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Originally Posted by FlDebra  I think some may not understand the distinction being made to help puppy buyers make a choice in breeders.
A good breeder will tell you if their dog is champion-sired, champion grand-sired, etc. they will not vaguely mention "champion bloodlines."
Poor breeders like to draw you in saying they have "champion bloodlines." In this area you see it all the time! Almost any yorkie could be said to have champion bloodlines because somewhere, someplace, at some time in history, there probably was a champion in the family tree -- it just won't show up on an AKC pedigree.  I have called on some of these champion bloodline pups in my area. When pressed on the phone, they admit the champion is pretty far down and not on any 3-generation pedigree. So only reason to say "champion bloodlines" is that there is no champion in the immediate relatives.
As for the major-line name dropping. I am glad to be apprised of this problem. We don't see that much in my area (have to admit most of us down this way would not recognize the major lines -- I never knew them until coming to YT). But I am glad to know that just because one of the names I do know is mentioned in an ad, I should not take that to the bank. I should dig deeper. Just like with the "champion bloodline" I need to ask more questions.
I am grateful for the information passed to help novice buyers. No one is saying any particular seller is bad, just that there are some things that should key more questions. Don't get taken in by vague mentions of what seem to be quality traits. Get specifics. If you are dealing with a quality breeder, they will probably have already provided specifics. I know the breeder I chose had the dam & sire on premises, with the histories (both pedigree and health) of grandparents and other pups ready for me. She showed me pictures of several dogs in the line, other pups as adults, and plenty of AKC pedigrees for me to look at. I did not have to ask much. But they are not all like that.
Thanks to those sharing information to help us be more selective! |
I guess it's semantics. "champion bloodlines" or "champion-sired"/"champion grand sire" Just seems a little unreasonable for someone to state that someone who uses the term "champion bloodlines" can't be the real deal. Yes, I would agree specifying if the pup has been sired or grand sire would be better, just it's not fair to automatically lump someone who chooses to say "champion bloodlines" as someone who couldn't possibly have dogs with great lines/great potential. So what's the term for champion grand-mothered? My pups are from grandsired champions; great; great, great; great, great, great-grand sired champions as well as on the maternal side Just would seem much easier to say "champion bloodlines" if I was so inclined I would think & if someone wanted more details they could ask.
Not everyone chooses to show their dogs, thus a generation could easily not have a champion in it, for no other reason than the breeder didn't choose to show it, not that it didn't have all the qualities and potential to be a "champion". Again, before one disparages a breeder and their dogs they really need to personally know the breeder.
Semantics: While I agree with the poor breeding practices of those that breed exceptionally tiny Yorkies, but it's also just semantics when people say "teacup" Yorkies --- "teacup" "small" It's just an adjective describing the noun. I think people can be led to get so caught up in the terminology used the important things get lost.
Kendra