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Originally Posted by whispersmom2 As I read the standards and info about Biewers, they have always been called BiewerYorkshire Terriers. Standard color Yorkies are Yorkshire Terriers. Purebred parti-marked Yorkies are called Yorkshire Terriers. Therefore, the reasoning would be that a Yorkshire Terrier by any color, if purebred! is a Yorkshire Terrier and cannot be considered a MIXED breed as the example you used of Yorkie/Poodle mixes. That example is like comparing apples and oranges, IMO..
What we are discussing, I think, is NOT genes but simply bloodlines. Any other opinions out there??
And, I am somewhat confused about the post from Catalan..was this supposed to be a post on YT or a letter to Irene? Just wondering about this one since it was number 1 or 2 post..
I will take the time to re-read the history of the development of the Biewer by the Biewers. I was under the impression that their breed stock was strictly Yorkshire Terriers in-bred or line-bred to assure that the recessive piebald gene would influence the colors of black, white and tan. Is that not correct?
Okay, now I will start my search to find out what breed Fru Fru and Darling of Friedhech were...and how I can research to make sure that my 3 Biewers are indeed as they are registered or if I and many others have been duped by German breeders who breed and sell their dogs as Biewers. If they cannot relate them back to FruFru and Darling, then they surely cannot be true Biewers as the standards say.
I do not plan to call my puppies Biewers. There is no reason to do that since they are going to pet homes and will not be bred..When I was considering buying Harvey, there was no doubt he was/is Biewer. He is the brother to Harmony and Hope, I believe. |
I will respectfully agree to disagree
But I did want to add a few more things
They are called Biewer Yorkshire Terriers. The intent to create a standard which describes markings to be specified is to create a separate breed. Just because the originated from B/G Yorkie parents doesn't mean they are still Yorkies. They have a standard now and the true Biewers should produce what's called in the standard for the most part. Of course you have those that breed mismarked Biewers which reverses all the sweat blood and tears Mr BIewer put into developing this breed.
For example, Yorkies were created from mixing several breeds right? So back then the argument could have been well the are 'Mutts'. Well guess what. They are now a breed of their own. Why? Because they have a standard and when bred responsibly they will produce the standard right? Samething with the Biewers. It may be splitting hairs but the fact remains, they are separate. I just want to emphasize this for those that read this and get confused. What you decide to do with your foundation is your business really it is. But when it comes to explaining the Biewer I feel I need to state the facts that I have been taught and that I follow with the club I belong to.
Another interesting thing is some people have Biewers that still have the original Fru Fru and Darling ancestors in the 3 or 4th gen pedigree. Those lines should not be taken lightly. You still have some very close breeding. I've had some inexperienced person brag that they had the original Friedrick lines. They are in the wrong hands and it wouldn't surprise me to see some major hereditary defects come from carelessly breeding. When that happends then everyones gonna say "oh Biewers have Liver Shunt (or whatever defect) running rampant".
Another thing, is Brokers. The majority of the Biewers in the US that are for breeding I bet were bought through brokers. In fact, I will put money on it. Which works against the betterment of the BIewer breed. The broker didn't compare pedigrees to make sure the sire and dams will be compatiable and not too closely related. I have seen Biewers sold for breeding from a broker that was almost all white with a patch around it's eye. The person was told by the broker you want soem with more whtie like that...guess what..No you don't! Nausiates me!!! They don't have clue because all they see is money. All this carelessness (not saying you Rini) is how we will end up with a handful of True Biewers that are good represenations of the breed.
I hope I am not too confusing in my post. I am just typing what comes to mind.
Stepping off my soapbox to smoke a cigarette and have a shot!
j/k
Irene