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Old 08-24-2010, 07:38 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by bchgirl View Post
I think what everyone seems to over look is the GENETICS of the dog. There are two ways a "new" breed is created. 1. A combination of 3 breeds...which takes years and years to set phenotype and genotype or 2. Lots and lots of inbreeding. Phenotype is the physical appearance you can see. Genotype is the genetics which may or may not be present in appearance.

Mr Biewer set the phenotype of the dogs. The breed is quite capable of resembling one phenotype and the results genetically similar to their parents.


This process takes literally years....so no it wasn't poof...it's a new breed. The dogs have been around for 26 years. You set the types, keep stud books, dna parents and accomplish a gene pool which produces litters consistent with type and genetics.

Genetics isn't opinion. It's fact and the information readily assessable.

They all were not bred back to yorkshire terriers. My pedigrees do not have any black/tan dogs in them for 7 generations. That 7th generation is one of the foundation dogs.

Breeding to a parti yorkshire terrier...or a standard colored yorkie is doing nothing but diluting the biewer gene. JMHO.
Deb,

You are correct, not all German breeders breed back to yorkies, you are also correct that breeding to a parti yorkie or a standard colored yorkie is diluting the biewer gene.. that is the whole idea.. to bring in some health to the genes of the Biewers as (in my opinion) they were to closely inbred without the proper steps taken to remove the unwanted "issues" from the breed.. the Parti's were also very inbred, but it was done by people that knew what they were doing and they removed the dogs from the breeding populations that had genetic problems and did not just keep breeding them just to get the color. Where Mr. Biewer focused on setting a specific LOOK, I believe the Parti's concentrated more on health first.. now they are working on the outer appearance.

In the world of dogs.. 26 years is nothing.. does the AKC accept a dog as a new breed just because it is bred "true" for that amount of time??? Would they consider the Biewer a Breed of it's own?? I have yet to hear anyone show me HOW just time alone and just breeding color back to color and setting type can make a new breed. I understand how you would want that to be the case, but I just don't see that it is. If you bred Parti's just with Parti's long enough.. are you saying THEY would also be a seperate breed???

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