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Originally Posted by kalina82  i cannot control how people interpret my words.
actually what i said was: "honestly i'm not concerned about the metacam. Morgan has MVD and i give it to her without problems and i know plenty of other dogs that have used metacam as well." Since you want to nit pick everything i say i will clarify. 1) i was not concerned about the metacam use in that particular case because of all the other things that were going on with the dog. 2) Morgan has asymptomatic MVD and I have given her Metacam. nothing else to add to that. yes she has MVD and yes i've given her metacam in the past with no problems. 3) Yes i know of other cases where dogs were given NSAIDs (usually metacam) when they had liver issues. These cases also had other problems that were more pressing and needed the anti-inflammatory.
do you eat a full meal every time you take advil, motrin or aleve? those are NSAIDs as well.
You cannot make a general statement saying it is "very dangerous" to take the drug on an empty stomach, because it is not. Sure you may have only hard about the horrible cases but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of other cases that did wonderfully on the drug this way.
Metacam and Rimadyl both state that they do not require food to be given with the medication. Some dogs can take it on an empty stomach and have no problems what so ever no matter how long they take it. Some dogs can get an upset stomach this way so it is usually recommended to give it with food just in case to prevent this (or at least that's what i always told owners. just like prescription human meds, they can cause upset stomach so its best to give with food). Some dogs can also have more serious adverse reactions to it (just like with any drug) no matter when you give the drug and with what.
everyone needs to remember that there are at least 70 million dogs in the US alone - each dog is an individual and has its very own individual problems. You cannot generalize problems. Each and every case is different. what happens to one dog may not happen to another. every dog reacts differently, even if they have similar issues. When an owner is concerned its best to ask the vet any questions you may have, even if you think its a minor concern. do your own research, and then bring those questions to a professional. |
well some people can take that as give the dog the pill with a treat and they will be ok
This particular dog had liver shunt surgery much more dangerous than a asymptomatic mvd dog.
lol you are not the only one on here that gets their words nit picked lol
actually I do take nsaids with a meal never on empty stomach or with a snack and I weigh alot more than 6lbs so for a smaller dog I think the risk is greater and I do not have liver disease or I would not take with liver disease.
So after reading intestinal bleeding, ulcers, and perforation of bowel you still feel safe to give on empty stomach? I just want to be clear in what you are suggesting is ok?
Where did you read on the instructions that it says it is ok to give on empty stomach?
Advice to Dog Owners Whose Pets Take NSAIDs Treating Pain in Your Dog http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalV.../UCM050394.pdf
oh and I did call to report the reaction my dog had and all they say is you should take your dog in for blood work immediately to make sure liver and kidneys are functioning properly.
Most Vaccine and medication reactions are not reported sadly as I do not believe the vet has to report it do they? Are they really telling the owner - hey the drug i gave your dog caused the kidneys to fail so your dog died of renal failure? Or do they say I am so sorry your dog has renal failure? I think the latter of the two is probably the case and most pet owners are not educated to know the difference unless they stumble across it on the internet trying to find out why their two year old dog died of renal failure
Also due to intestinal upset with nsaids specialists also advise against nsaids in dogs with IBD as well.