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Originally Posted by ladyjane  I totally agree! All of the posts advising people not to listen to their vets about prescribed medications frightens me. ALL medications have side effects....that has been long established, whether for humans or animals. As you said, there are SO many dogs and so few people (percentage wise) whose pups have actually suffered from the side effects of the meds that were prescribed. Just because one or even ten dogs had side effects does not mean that a medication is bad or dangerous for all dogs.
Sometimes certain medications need to be given and the majority of vets look at the entire history of the pup and whether or not a certain medication is contraindicated. It is always good for a pet owner to be aware of medications and read about the pros and cons of giving them....and then, consult with their vet.
I have seen people suggest that a person give Tramadol to a dog that was prescribed Rimadyl. These are two different medications...often Rimadyl is indicated because the need to reduce inflammation is there...which will in turn help with pain. Tramadol only works for pain.
It does not sound like this pup died from an NSAID...surely something was going on. We don't have enough information to assume anything. |
hopefully op will come back and give more info so we can know
so you think it is safe after what you have read to give dogs with liver disease nsaids? As Kellie has stated in other posts it is safe yet vets and specialists who know about liver disease would never prescribe an nsaid to a liver disease dog.
Are you aware most vets are not familiar with liver disease in maltese and yorkie breed as is stated over and over on here?
Are you aware most vets do not run blood panels before putting dogs under anesthesia for a spay or neuter? Neither of mine had blood panels 6 years ago prior to their spay or neuter and I had no clue about all this stuff 6 years ago and that was two different vets as dex was neutered by one vet and Dee Dee was spay by another. I doubt mine are the only dogs this has happened to.
I say educate yourself about nsaids and dogs with liver disease should NOT ever have nsaids.
Do you also think nsaids should be given with a snack or mid meal? See below it can perforate a bowel so why would you give with a snack and not mid meal? Why would you not protect the intestines as best you can when giving this drug knowing it can cause ulcers, internal bleeding, and perforation - why would you tell someone a snack or on empty stomach is ok and not mid meal as Kellie has stated it is ok on empty stomach or with a snack which i strongly disagree with?
Sorry not warning people of this drug and its potential harm especially in dogs with liver disease which runs rampant in this breed is deadly. Most vets do not give out the pamphlet nor instruct owners. I was given rimadyl, deramaxx, and metacam to my dogs all three over the course of 6 years with NO INSTRUCTION or WARNING. All being from 3 different vets for those meds. I had to find the info on the internet from FDA after Jean Dodds emailed NO NSAIDS after vet gave dd metacam on empty stomach while on steroids with mvd. I doubt this is the only vet in the country doing this.
In a healthy dog with no issues then you can make that choice but if you have a dog with health issues then tramadol is the better drug even without anti-inflammatory.
Tramadol and nsaids can be mixed to add extra relief in a healthy dog but there is still risk
Nsaids and steroids can NEVER be mixed as both affect the lining of stomach and it can do a double whamy on that dog like it did mine.
Nsaids are NOT to be used in liver disease dogs and that should always be questioned.
Do you really think every vet knows everything about every drug and informs the pet owners when giving the drug? Or do they trust the pharmaceutical companies and just prescribe the drugs?