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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom  Did I miss these videos being posted you're mentioning in the 2nd paragraph, or do you mean these are videos you've seen along the way?
I guess now that this has turned into such a big discussion...I would like to see proof that it doesn't cause pain for the puppy.
Because if it does cause pain, then in my opinion a decision needs to be made - First) it needs to be determined if this is still indeed medically/hygienically/preventively needed and then Second) If the answer is yes, then anesthesia (local) *must* be used to manage this pain, in my opinion. We cannot perform a surgical procedure that clearly causes pain, without anesthetic, when anesthetic is readily available.
Is this a dumb question...even if it causes mild pain...why not just inject local lidocaine? I don't understand (esp. as a nurse)...I'm kind of confused there...
And I guess then Third) If it is determined to not be medically/hygienically/preventively needed, then I would hope this topic becomes a top priority, bc it would be a true priority, at that point, for the future of this breed, in my humble opinion. |
I understand your concern. Also, being an x-nurse.
I'm not a canine, but, I can only answer based on my experience. Do they whimper, yes, for a matter of seconds, not even a minute. So, in my opinion the discomfort I would liken to that of giving an injection. And I say this because mine scream louder when I give them their vaccinations.
On the lidocaine, vets do not recommend anything at this young age as it can cause more harm than good.
Now I've had to Sub-Q a 24 hour old pup. And the screaming was more heart wrenching then.....and I know this is no comparison, because it was a matter of attempting to save a pups life.
Oh! on the dew claws....I get no crying or whimpering. When I begin clipping nails....now that's another story.....mine scream before I even approach their feet.
This debate has been around forever, and there are pros and cons on each side. We just need to agree to disagree. Like Donna says, there are more important issues facing our breed than the tail docking debate. I for one wish to put my efforts on Shunt (as that is still very up in the air and until a DNA Marker is found, breeders are breeding blindly), PLE, LP, PRA......
Mary