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Old 08-26-2009, 02:23 AM   #81
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Here's a thought. With all the bad publicity I'm hearing hear (on YT) about Ceasar Milan, AP gets this guy to show what bad training really is, thereby getting the focus away from CM and more onto VS and people will start thinking that CM isn't that bad.
I don't think CM is all that bad, except I haven't seen one thing he does mentioned in the threads I've read yet. And, no, I haven't read them all, because you training fanatics are very passionate about training and therefore extremely wordy in your posts and I don't have time to read it all. Has anyone caught the CM episode with the Korean Jindo (sp) dog that became uncontrollably vicious in the house with the owners? Or one of the English Bulldog episodes (I think it was the one where the dog claimed the owners golfcart)? I will call it the Sleeper Hold, similar to the wrestling move where one wrestler falls asleep after being held in a headlock too long. We used it on occasion at the Vet Hospital I worked at, but only if life and/or limb were threatened. It involves depriving the out of control dog of oxygen until he becomes submissive, or more accurately, too weak to fight back any longer. Ceasar makes it look like a leash adjustment, which it is: he quickly loosens the leash/collar combo before the dog passes out. I remember telling my husband that I didn't believe they just showed that on TV!
I don't know why anyone would use the Alpha roll on a puppy other than for severe agression? I've used it but only as a last resort, and never on a young pup.
I've noticed 2 differences also. Some people are training puppies that they are the first owners of, and others are trying to train the rejected rescues, that come with their own baggage of God only knows what they've been through and what are they thinking anyway? Each requires a different approach.
I will also venture to say that all the cases one sees on TV are a result of no training, or no training beyond basic obedience or cute tricks.
I use a cloth choke collar on one of my Yorkies. I have to. She chases cars and tries to drag us into the street when one passes by. Walking her with a halter on is like having nothing on her. She refuses to walk with a Halti collar, or anything on her face. If a choke collar is used correctly, it will not hurt the dog. Put one on your arm and give it a jerk, a good jerk. My neighbor thought I was mean to use one until I showed her this on her arm. The key is after you jerk it, it should return to hanging loose around the dog's neck, no pressure at all, like a necklace. You may have to give the dog one or two good jerks and releases till they get the idea that the collar can tighten and become uncomfortable. Then, the correction is to make the collar make noise, where it barely comes in contact with the dog's neck, but the dog hears it and adjusts his behavior. My other neighbors got a Rotweiller pup and of course, they would never use a choker on her. I've seen the lady get dragged down the street and around a mailbox, because she is no longer a cute puppy, but a lear jet once she's out and about. And the collars they use are putting more pressure on her neck than a choker ever would, when used correctly.
I'm done. Thank you.
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