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Old 08-10-2009, 06:22 PM   #321
JeanieK
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I feel like we are going really far afield here, and methods for training dogs are getting compared to entire value systems and commentary about modern life, which I don't know how to address. The only reason I brought up the meds thing was as an example of VS continuing to use new discoveries to help dogs. It at most tangentially related to whether Ritalin is over-prescribed.

I feel like there's this undercurrent of "progress is bad" or "people are too soft" which somehow means that all research done in the past 50 years on animal behavior is meaningless, and there's no point in trying to learn anything more than we already know.
I honestly do not think Cesars methods are totally new, my father used to trian our own personal dogs using Cesars method of understanding. Oldtimers had a much better understanding of dogs horses etc. They lived more closely with them, they were not treated like people, they were dogs or they were horses not pampered pets.

Our dogs did anything and everything my dad asked them to do. and he never abused them and if he scolded them he always made sure to make up with them before walking away. He also trained horses, back when people actually used horses to work.

He also raised 6 kids and yes we were spanked, and we too would have done anything that our dad asked of us. Well except for those awful teen age years.

if you watch Cesar and then watch Super Nanny, their way of thinking is not so different. In both cases the dogs/children are out of control because the adult humans failed to provide clear leadership. it's as simple as that. once they instruct the parents on how to take back control, the dogs/children change their behavior.

As the old addage goes, don't keep repeating the same act and expect different results. In order for the situation or relationship to change, you first have to change yourself.

That is Cesar's magic secret.
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