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Old 08-09-2009, 06:16 PM   #172
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I can't seem to shut up on this thread!

WRT the bulldog episode... I did not think the bulldog seemed exceptionally stressed, and I didn't think Cesar was abusing her. I do think he was unnecessarily rough, as he often is, and he is often provoking the aggression he says he sees in the dog. Use the right tool for the job.

Compare this with Victoria's latest episode -- there was a chihuahua named "Killer" who was extremely people aggressive, and had bitten not only the owner, but the owner's two-year-old daughter. Bella the bulldog had only one bite to her name, and that was in a food-guarding situation. I'm sure NG could have shown the Chihuahua and blared "the dog actually named Killer... she's out of control... she's bitten children... will this dog have to be put to sleep?". And of course, showing lots of slo-mo shots with this dog snarling and lunging at people.

Instead, Victoria said, "this is a very stressed, fearful dog" and yes, gave her treats to bond with her, gave her a nice little house, and told the owner to spend more time with her. That's it. Would this dog have submitted if Cesar grabbed it by the scruff of its neck and pinned her to the floor? Probably. But again, why do it the hard way when you can go easy?
Sorry - what does WRT mean? lol. I can't seem to get out of this thread, either. I keep popping in from my iPhone too, lol.

I never saw that episode you're talking of with Victoria (damn! I need to catch up!) but yes, I guess you could consider maybe he is making it harder than it truly is. But in all honesty, I'd be a lot more comfortable trying to train an aggressive Chihuahua than a large American Bulldog. It'd be a lot easier for me to get myself to slowly give treats to a tiny "evil" chihuahua than trying to cozy up to a 80+ pound Bulldog in the nice way, lol. I don't know.

Oh, the one thing I do like about Cesar's show more is how the owners send in updates on the dogs he worked with, and they're honest... sometimes the dog has not improved at all, sometimes the dog is doing good on most things but still working on others, but others the dog is 100% different. I like seeing the updates from the owners home videos and not TDW camera crew because then you know it's real. That's just something I've always liked about the show.

One thing that actually annoys me about Victoria's show is the way they shoot it, the camera angles and views. Maybe that's just me being my weird geeky self but I don't like the things that seem "acted" out... like when they show the owners in the kitchen arguing over the dog or something, that just irks me because I know some camera crew was there trying to tell them what to do and it's kind of acting. It just bugs me. (We've been on the news many times for my little brother's foundation we started and they do this stuff to my mom and stepfather - make them do normal stuff in the kitchen and film, or something, lol, it's so awkward) And when they do a shot from down from the dogs point of view with Victoria saying "stay" and holding her hands out or something. But I don't know, I think that's the main reason I like TDW better than IMoTD - it always seemed to have a more "real" effect to me. I know it's all just part of television, both shows, but that's just something I picked up on.

One thing I actually love about Victoria though - I love when she brings her clients gifts, lol. The one I watched today she bought them a whole new bed spread and said there better be no dog hair on this when I get back! I've also seen her many times come into a pee stained house and bring a steam cleaner and help clean the house, etc. I think that's really cool of her.
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