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Old 08-08-2009, 05:50 PM   #108
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Argh, this show really drives me crazy. I'm watching him train a couple with two boxers, and he is using prong collars, which are totally unnecessary, AND encouraging the owners to give corrections when the dogs are not doing anything wrong, not even LOOKING at other dogs! Don't be fooled, those prong collars DO hurt. They are not magic. If someone put prongs around your neck, you'd be really careful around them too. A gentle leader is completely effective and not cruel - it puts you in charge of the dog's head.

He's also not using some basic techniques to diffuse dog on dog aggression, like keeping the dog on his far side, or just TEACHING the dog to be calm and look at its owner when other dogs pass by.

However, the owners actually said that one of the boxers had bitten several other dogs and they had been warned the dog would have to be put down if it happened again. So Cesar's method is better than the dog dying. That's where the ARGH comes in. I kind of wish I could just say I loved him or hated him.

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Also, I hate to say this, but you can easily tell that while one of the dogs is staying very still and submissive, she is most certainly not calm. She is constantly licking her lips, rounded back, tucked tail, ears back, AND almost the entire white of her eye is showing. She is very stressed.
I have not seen this episode you're referring to, but I dog sit a 4 year old Boxer 4 days a week and there is NOTHING you can do to control him around other dogs, besides using a shock collar. They have worked and worked, had many different trainers over. Shocking was the last option. The first year in a half of his life was spent going to dog parks, going on walks, etc, and he was FINE. Then something set in at two years old and they have no idea what. They have been trying and trying for two years. Boxers are STRONG animals and the prong collars sometimes may be necessary. You can be very rough with them... and it will not hurt them. Sometimes simply keeping the dog on the other side is not possible. They are extremely strong. Also, in the majority of the episodes I've seen where the dogs are wearing prong collars, choke chains, or shock collars.. the OWNER already had them on the dog, not Cesar. In a recent episode I just saw yesterday (you can view it on Hulu.com, it's the dog named Bella) he actually told the owner he could get MORE control without the choke collar. Cesar generally places his little rope/leash looking thing high up on the neck for more control. I don't really see him actually BRING the choke chains, etc, to the home with him. The dogs usually already have him. And too, I'm surprised he didn't actually say anything about the dog still not being calm because in most episodes I've seen, he will get the dog in a lay down position or whatever but he almost ALWAYS points out "She's still not calm!" I always hear him telling owners "just because you made her sit, doesn't mean shes calm submissive" Also, I'm not sure what season you're watching, I started watching mainly last year... but from the re-runs I've seen, he definitely has softened his ways a lot in the recent seasons. Go to Hulu - Watch your favorites. Anytime. For free. and type in Dog Whisperer and see a few of his recent episodes. I'd actually be interested to hear your opinion on him in those!

By the way, how was Victoria's show tonight? I missed it.
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