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Originally Posted by QuickSilver  Okay, I'm going to make one more post about posting, and then I will be quiet (about this). This is directed at everyone, including myself.
When you are debating a topic, you have to find something to respect about the topic of debate and those you are debating with. Otherwise, it will devolve into tit for tat comments. For instance, everyone who posts on this thread loves their dogs and is interested in training, otherwise they wouldn't be reading this thread. Lots of people don't care about training their dogs, so I respect people for just being interested, and thinking about how their dogs think.
I respect people who have studied canine behavior, who have read up on the subject, and who have degrees in different aspects of animal biology. I respect people who volunteer at shelters, and people who work with abused dogs. So even though I disagree with many of Cesar's methods, I don't think he is a bad man, because I believe he does genuinely love dogs and wants to help them. |
I can agree with you on he is not a bad man and he does try and We all make mistakes at times and we can learn from them.
But billing him by others as the saving grace of aggressive dogs when he causes some to fall apart is not ok. I have seen a few changes in him as if he is looking at other methods but he still goes back to shock.
When someone is in the room that was more experince and understanding of behavior and is trying to explain and share, sometimes it be a good idea instead of attacking them that one could listen and look at what is being brought to the table instead of going I see no abuse, I see not abuse........Cause one does not have the skill set as yet to see it.
If one would listen and read one would get those skills.
I can respect that one is willing to try to train and is intrested in training and always a good thing as to many dogs are not soicalized and are not trained leaving to many of us to clean up the mess.
When I started out I was and still am a crossover trainer.. been there done the old way which I find fun as the new way if I am correct been around since about 1999. in the form it is now and a ton longer then that to skinners work.
When I first saw his show I though great but it took a freind saying turn down the volume use your eyes not his words to see really see and I was shook. His haert may be in the right place as is all of ours when we take on a tough dog but sometimes he needs to slow it way down and step back. His one size fits all method is not a good thing for many dogs.
Postive gives you a ton of angles to come at a dog.
Thanks been a nice chat.
I am sure someone raeding this was learned a great deal.
I know I keep up my practice of saying the same thing in differnt ways doing these threads. i amazed that I can keep my cool and not say half of what crosses my mind. LOL
JL