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Originally Posted by Nancy1999  I'm not saying that most trainers aren't training the humans, I'm saying that Cesar looks at the "energy" the human is putting off, and he demonstrates how a different energy, can change the way an animal behaves. One you really understand it, you don't need a list of rules on how to handle separate problems. I don't mind a debate about a certain technique that is recommended by some trainer, and someone believes it abusive, I like to hear why people may or may not believe that that particular thing is abusive. There are certain situations, when positive reinforcement doesn't work, particularly those involved with wanting an animal to stop a certain behavior. I'm really against abuse of animals in any form. I am drawn to the pack leader theory because I believe an animal will actually be more contented and well adjusted if they know who's in charge. Studies have shown that children are better adjusted, and happier, when they believe that their parents are in charge, and in my opinion the same thing is true with dogs. |
Totally agree with you but we've talked about this before!
Quicksilver, I definitely can agree on some of your points too and I like having "debates" with people like you, lol. You know what you're talking about, you demonstrate your points in a great manner, but you still can see the other side of the debate. Plus, I'm very interested in dog training, psychology and body language so I love learning new things and you're posts always interest me.
I think people see Cesar as this guy who is not willing to change and stuck in "old ways" but if you have actually watched most of the seasons, as I and many people have... you would learn that he is actually very open to others ideas and a few times has brought a dog to other trainer friends of his for other opinions, etc. He's also in more recent seasons begun using treats to lure a dog in, such as the "dog eating poop" episode, and this little Chihuahua mix who hated to be groomed, he placed a treat on top of the scissors to make use of the dog's smell. More 'positive training' methods, if you will. Also, if you want to get really deep, children were MUCH more well behaved and respectful when parents used "old ways" to disipline and parent. Just sayin'.
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never seen him advocate choke collars, shock collars, or anything of the sort, so I don't know how that came into play. I saw one episode where he used an electronic collar on a dog who chased cars and I believe he even used the collar on himself to show it doesn't hurt, it just gives a shock, and it was a larger dog who could have gotten himself killed (had already been injured many times) by biting the tires of the tractors, cars, etc.
Also, when you have a 100lb aggressive Rottweiler, I feel like HOW can you use 100% positive training? That's just crazy. So, I'm gonna allow him to bite me and attack me and possibly kill me because I will NOT use "negative training" by placing him on his back in a surrender mode? I don't know. I just don't see anything wrong with pinning (NOT hurting) a dog down when he's in THAT state of aggression, big or small dog. Anddd... I've seen with my own eyes when dogs surrender and roll on their back. My dad's dog gave a nasty look and a growl to Jackson and he immediately surrended and layed on his back, as if he was surrending.
I have raised Jackson on certain Cesar Millan techniques and he's really a fantastic dog (99% of the time!
) I try my best to use my energy and when I'm high-strung, he's high-strung... when I'm calm, he's calm. He definitely feeds off of energy. When he's over at my dad's house around his veryy high energy Jack Russell, he's a wild man. But he absolutely loves all other dogs, he's a pretty good listener, mostly when I call his name, he comes right back to me, he walks right beside me on a leash, he hardly ever will walk out of a door without me going first, he sits before he gets his food bowl. But anyways, I'm just sayin' Jackson's a pretty good dog and I get lots of compliments about him and I give a lot of thanks to Cesar for that.
I know this is long but one more point... Cesar's dogs do NOT look abused, hurt, tortured or anything. They live like DOGS. How they're supposed to live. You can tell they're happy and loving life. They give kisses to Cesar, etc.
BUT, I respect every single persons opinion in here and am always open to hear new ideas. Different things work for different dogs.