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Originally Posted by Sway Says  I love it. I’m going to be an evil puppy miller yet, huh?
I never said "To house train your dog he must sleep in his pee."
And I didn’t say that either. I know that I said you should clean it up when you return.
I never said the dog should perpetually stay in his pee. But if he does pee and you’re not there, he’ll suffer the consequences. Evans says that if the dog tries to lift his leg to squirt out of the crate he won’t be able to. Of course the dog will quickly figure out that if he tries this he’ll be laying in his pee. Even more reason to hold it.
What I am saying is that you should crate train your dog.
And you don't need to convince me of anything. I feel that we could both agree that the dog could use a crate.
You're worried about semantics. But I'm not going to apologize for what I said.
The fact is if your dog pees in his crate and you are not there then that dog will have to be in that pee till you get there. Period. That's logical. And I said again that a dog will most likely not do this because this is an unpleasant experience.
As far as teaching something—there are lessons to be learned from this. Overall you are trying to get the dog to hold his urine and by doing that the dog will understand that he actually CAN hold his pee. There’s no need for him to pee every thirty minutes. Also by crate training you can get your dog on a schedule so that you both can predict when it’s time to pee. That’s two.
As far as you not liking what I said or how I said it, that’s cool the advice wasn’t for you. But will crating work? No doubt. |
You said many things I agree with, perhaps I misunderstood your replies, but if I misunderstood them, it's possible others could misunderstand them. You said:
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What's the lesson? He needs to learn that if he urinates in it he will have to marinate in it. Your dog doesn't like to lay in his pee any more than you do.
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You didn't add, he'll lie in his own pee till I get home, so I thought you meant, you'd would see to it that he lies in his own pee. We have many different views of training on this forum, and I rarely say one view is right or wrong because I believe there are many ways to train a dog. However, when I see a post that recommends doing something that is abusive, I have to strongly object. You may have not meant it in this way, but this is the way it sounded to me. Remember, we have people reading the forum that will try your advice, and I didn't want anyone to use this method of punishment. I'm not arguing crate training or not crate training, but crate training must be done in a certain way, and if a person is going to be gone longer than the time suited for the puppy's age, it is recommended that an x pen and pee pads be used.