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Old 05-19-2009, 05:25 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by EnchantedToi View Post
We cannot change the German history of the breed, the dogs came from two Yorkshire Terriers, no one disputes that.
And we can speculate about what breeds if any were included in the mix along the way. In my opinion, the Biewer has been a distinct breed by evolution as with all the other breeds before it. Go read a few breed history's and you will read over and over again.. the speculation of what breeds may have been included in the mix of many UKC AKC and CKC dogs before ours.
In all breeds you will often hear " the pedigree is only as honest as the breeder" Do you really beleive that this only held true for other breeds and not the Biewer?

Since the breed arrived on North American soil in 2003 many of us have treated the Biewer as a breed of its own from the onset. ( Never allowing the breeding back of Yorkshire Terriers).

In my opinion it was obvious that in doing so, one was taking 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards.

By breeding Biewer - Biewer you set type.
Some breeders chose this path from the onset of involvement in the breed, others chose to breed back to the Yorkshire Terrier.
I can remember the many discussions topics and disagreements we had on this topic. Not that long ago

"Breed type is the very essence of every breed." Breed type consists of those qualities that set one breed apart from every other breed. Breed type includes the dog's appearance, movement, and character.

'The blue print for every breed is found in the breed standard. Every breed has a detailed written breed standard which defines correct breed type."

It is very interesting how each person deciphers the letter from Mars.
And thus the reason for posting it. Each is entitled to an opinion and each can research or contact Mars directly to ask further questions. They state they are eager to help answer any questions.

To suggest that others could not possibly understand the Mars testing is a little obnoxious.Many people have contacted them over and over and each time get a very similar responce.And funny thing is.... not once have they suggested to anyone writing.. to have their Biewers tested.

Previously you stated that Mars.. say's these things to avoid being sued. Mars now has placed information regarding that on the Faq's page as well

Frequently Asked Questions about Mars Veterinary

Each is entitled to an opinion, each can research and study.
However, to suggest that others are less capable of understanding what it takes to better a breed is very unfortunate.It is this very type of opinion that has helped keep the masses devided.

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The majority of the BTCA is made up of VERY EXPERIENCED breeders, not first time breeders or pet owners. We know what it takes to better a breed and understanding the heritage of the breed is among many of the things it takes.
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By giving the expertise of the breeders in the BTCA, how did you get "However, to suggest that others are less capable of understanding what it takes to better a breed is very unfortunate". This adding to what is said constantly is what is keeping the masses divided. If I were talking about you, I would have said so.

You say "to suggest that others could not possibly understand the Mars testing is a little obnoxious", yet look what you did with the results of the individual tests on Nancy's dogs. If that didn't show lack of understanding, I don't know what to say. Unless you have seen the whole report you do not know what is involved.

Mars isn't worried about being sued directly, it's about other people dragging them into court to defend their tests.

Can you explain to me what evolution took place? I am not being a smart-alec, I really want to know what you mean by this.
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