[quote=boodarlene;2587451]PLEASE show me 1 post where I sad Valley was a bad breeder. You people need to stop putting words in my mouth. I said the place was clean & the dogs seemed to be well cared for! And yes, I do think she over breeds her dogs. You make me laugh... this messageboard is full of opinions (that's what message boards are for), but the minute you don't agree with something someone says... all hell breaks loose!
To "quote" what you said: "you don't have the right to call someone a bad breeder because their opinion differs from yours". ISN'T THAT EXACTLYWHAT YOU ARE DOING???????? Again... I never sad that she was bad, only that she is over breeding her dogs! That opinion as you call it is a "medical point of view".
Did you go to medical school? Do you know from a medical standpoint what happens to the dog's body each & every time she is pregnant? And what happens to her when she is made to become pregnent over & over again so "people" can make money?? How would you feel if you were forced to become pregnant over & over again. Don't you think that would take it's toll on your body?
Stop looking at these dogs as money making machines, they are not!
Right now I have 4 yorkies in my house that are rescues, all of them are from bad breeding 3 of them have serious health issues.
Of those 3 with issues 2 of them are females that have been over breed! And both of those females are scheduled to have surgery to "REPAIR" the results of that! Breeders who over breed produce dogs with health issues "FACT" and that includes the mother. That unfortunatly, makes it harder for the GOOD breeders "FACT". Medicine is a science, not an opinion.
So the next time you want to bash someone for voicing their "opinion" as you call it... keep yours to yourself as well.[/quote]
1) No that is not what I'm doing. I am not calling you "bad," I am saying that you not being objective, and I'm saying that it's not right for you to call out a breeder because her opinion differs from yours.
2) You know nothing about me, and the vets I know (several, by the way) would not be posting on a message board arguing with people over a breeder's choices. Again, you don't know what I know and don't know, and you have no right to assume that.
3) Now you are fishing!
Tell me when I said I looked at dogs as money making machines OR insinuated that at the very least.
4) Again, what is your definition of "over breeding"? Are you talking about females that have been bred every heat from 6 months to 6 years? If so, yes of course they are going to have issues, I mentioned that in a different post and stated that the one thing all good breeders and vets agree on is that they should not be bred every heat for many years. That I believe, that I will agree with. HOWEVER, you mentioned somewhere that I female should be bred at 2-3 years and not bred again for another 2 heats. According to many, that is not healthy either and can cause the female many problems when she is bred again. It is also not healthy to breed for the first time past 3 years, and that is pushing it. Your females are most likely the product of a true puppymill or backyard breeder, breeding every heat starting at their first one and doing it for many years. Well we KNOW that is bad, and I am AGAIN not condoning someone for breeding their females that way. That IS wrong. What I am simply trying to say, as I have mentioned about 5 times now, is that there are varying opinions on how, when, and why a female should be bred, when she should start, stop, and how long to wait in between. I do not think a breeder is irresponsible or over breeds her females as long as she is skipping heats and/or only breeding a few times in a row and retiring early, and doing what is best in the eyes of her and her vet. It is different for every vet, every breeder, and every female dog.
5) Again again again, I am NOT bashing you, I am saying that what you said is not right in calling out this breeder. If you would have made a separate thread stating what your research has been and what are the opinions of others, that would have been accepted and fine. Instead, you posted in a thread that is now making a breeder look bad because of your assumption. That is not right. You are the one getting upset and aggravated over this, I am simply stating my opinion and have not "yelled" or said anything out of line. I think you need to take a deep breath, step back, and rethink your motives here. There is no need to respond to this post with more yelling and pointing of fingers, I have said what I needed to say and I will not have a childish conversation with someone who is always right, blah blah blah. Yes yes we know you research, we know you are passionate about this, does not mean you're right.