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I do not personally know either of the parties involved in this. However, as a reader of this review section of the forum as a potential consumer, I would like to state how I find posts like this helpful and thought it was at least part of the point of even having a section like this available here.

I agree that this matter should be handled privately between the two, but I would not wish that the OP would have kept this experience quiet no matter the outcome even if the breeder and himself were to have stayed the best of friends were it to be that the both of them acted immediately with proof in hand, or there lack of, by the one party, and a quick resolution either way by the other, with no pride hurt and no loss of trust. I would hope that the end result would be shared with the public as I would very much be interested in how the breeder has chosen to resolve the issue.

As a potential buyer who may be in the market for a dog and might have considered applying for the purchase of a pup from Breny's next litter, I would now be able to make a better informed decision. Do I want to risk buying a pup sharing the same sire as Lucky? Since it still remains undetermined on whether or not LCP is genetic, I would choose to be safe now rather than be sorry later. I would act accordingly with the assumption that it is genetic, as I am entitled to believe in what I choose to as are others. Then would I want to risk the increased chance of having to put my future pup through this kind of surgery on top of worrying if patellar luxation will become a problem since the majority of this breed seem to love jumping and simply playing hard on their little knees. Personally, I would then resist all cuteness and perfection, no matter the temperament and price listed and whether or not the sire's history of maybe ONE pup in a past litter had been known to the breeder to have had a case of LCP. I would simply wait for another litter sired and/or whelped by parents different from the pair used for Lucky. In the arrival of my decision, I will have taken into consideration the fact that there are non-confrontational type of people, for better or worse--even if the breeder would have liked to have been told--who may have kept such conditions to themselves and just dealt with the surgery, recovery and cost without notifying the seller of it--signed contract or no, genetic defect or not. I would not hold it against said breeder, if this is not a regular occurrence and it was all handled in a way fair to both parties.

As long as I am satisfied with the honesty of the breeder, I would not hesitate to apply for a pup from a different pairing that is not in direct relation to the sire or dam of the affected dog. Of course, I wouldn't be able to prevent myself from looking elsewhere if the breeder did not share the same beliefs and caution as myself, believing that until there is absolute scientific proof of genetic cause and a means to identify it, that it should not need to be mentioned in the sale of the directly related pups. In this instance, the popular line of "if you're not breeding or showing, it shouldn't matter" doesn't apply because this condition will affect a spayed/neutered pup and were I to choose to buy the pup, I would at least know that I had made this commitment with my eyes wide open.

Threads like this, I hope, will force breeders who may not have otherwise felt the need to disclose of this very important bit of information to the potential buyers to either tell all or keep mum, but we at least can judge for ourselves then if that is the kind of breeder we would want to buy from. I would rather be the one to decide for myself whether or not to believe it is a genetic condition and to choose whether or not I want to avoid this bloodline altogether. I am not one to wait until someone tells me it is poison I'm drinking before I would stop drinking it. If I don't feel good about it, no matter how many people praise it, I will not touch it. I will also not stop others from drinking to their heart's desire and possibly prospering as a result.

I am thankful for posts such as this, although not in its entirety and I don't particularly agree with the title of the thread, but if people read on the contents of the post, they will be able to filter through what is slander and hurt pride versus what is truly useful to themselves to provide for them enough food for thought to better make a confident decision in their future additions to their family.

I found the posts by MyFairLacy, Nancy1999, Lorraine, chickwit, jp4m2, kalina82 and some others either very helpful, reasonable, informative or spoke my thoughts exactly. And I really don't believe this kind of thing should have anything to do with "outsiders" or insiders. I know there's a great sense of community in every forum type of environment and it's difficult not to take anything slightly negative said as a personal attack on many friends of life, of the net, or of the trade. But I would hope that this thread doesn't turn ugly and reinforce the feeling that one is putting oneself up for a flaming by the "gang" if one only had a very real experience to share when it involves any one long time or simply popular YT member. If all that is allowed to be shared here are positive reviews, then it should be stated as such in the forum rules so that I can then rely on google to help me find blogs and other forums and review sites for feedback. It doesn't matter where I read it from, I will still take what I read with a grain of salt and figure out for myself what I choose to believe in and what is most important to me. At least on here, I would be able to read other thoughtful responses to the post from people I may have found to be a fountain of relatively educated and very logically formed opinions.