No first hand experience with the breeders, but there are lots of red flags on those sites...purposely breeding mutts, some of the dogs don't appear to meet breed standard, very high number of dogs on premesis, lots of litters in a very short time frame, breeding to produce extremely small dogs. If I were to run across a breeder guilty of even one of those characteristics, it would be enough for me to keep looking. IMO, there is just no sense in settling when there are responsible, ethical breeders out there.