Oh, YorkieMother....here you are again. I just have to say, as I'm sure most of the other poster before me would say (ones that have tried and succeeded with techniques you disapprove of), my dog absolutely adores me! She knows I'm the boss, I haven't tried the "alpha roll" with her, but I've had to resort to other techniques of which I'm certain you would also diapprove, but she does not leave my side. You said "that which you use on them you get back" and I'm certain in a loveless environment that is probably true. But in an otherwise loving environment, a dog who is corrected by someone he loves and who continues to show him love, will still love that person. The same is true with a child....a child has no respect for a complete stranger who punishes him for an unacceptable act, but more often than not, if that same punishment (I'm not talking about a beating or anything of the sort) were handed out by someone the child respected and loved, the outcome would be completely different. In the same respect, a young child knows his teacher is the boss whether he likes her or not, and also will naturally distance himself from the school bully so as not to become a target (unless he's a bully too
). These are both people who have authority over him (one more acceptable than the other), but he will not take correction from them, even, in the same way he would a loving parent. (I just want to point out that although I'm making a comparison to a human child, Hansch99 and ARCHIE are both correct that dogs and children should be treated differently--they are different creatures and do learn differently and speak different languages. I was merely giving an example to support my statement.)