This is the last thing I'm going to say about this to you, YorkieMother, because I don't want to argue. Let me refresh you first:
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Originally Posted by YorkieMother  It may be unacceptable to us but is normal to them so discipline them for what they bring to the table is not a good idea. To them they know no better until we teach them what we expect of them so redirect and coaching is way better then pack leader as dogs in the wild do not run in packs.
They run in ones or twos tjat join up and walk away from each other as the need and avaliable supplies are, are not there.
They do not form family groups like wolves as the supply of resoucrs does not allow that at all.
What one sees at a dump site of waste is small one and twos coming into contact with other ones and twos and fighting over limited resouces not a pack fighting and doing dominace or not. |
Here is a quote from one of the articles you linked ("The Alpha Fallacy"): "A topdog has little need to threaten and an underdog would be crazy to. Without a doubt excessive growling and repeated fighting are indicative of an underlying insecurity and uncertainty about social rank vis a vis other dogs."
Hmmm, so according to your sources, there are topdogs (a.k.a. what at least I would refer to as a pack leader), and that shows of aggression, albeit more aggression than this puppy has shown to our knowledge (though I seriously doubt she's showing aggression to that degree), are "uncertainty about social rank vis a vis other dogs". Translation: show aggression in order to get a reaction in order to establish a certainty about social rank. I guess that must just be way over my head and must mean something completely different to someone with your level of education, but I feel like this is all I have been trying to say all along. So, I will bow out of this discussion since it has become contradictory and leave it to you. I would think, with your level of education and experience instructing seminars, your goal would be to listen and educate, rather than pick apart everything we say in an obstinate manner.