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Originally Posted by Marlee If they were incapable that is one thing, however even with a limp, a cain or a wheelchair people can get out if they want to. It is a matter of will. Many people where just to lazy to do it themselves. It just depends on how badly you want to save yourself or your family. |
Well, I can guarantee you that my great-aunt and hundreds of the victims with canes aren’t able to evacuate. My great-aunt wouldn’t make it to the end of the road. The will to live sometimes isn’t strong enough to carry an elderly person to safety. I don’t think that any elderly person who drowned in their home wanted to take their last breath underwater and die.
[QUOTE=Marlee]Where was the state governmet, shouldnt they be held accountable...[/COLOR][QUOTE]
Thank you for reiterating my point! I said “government” as you just did!
[QUOTE=Marlee]I have a great aunt who is 91- a real spit-fire- if she were in N.O. she would be dead at this point because she can't drive and needs a cane to walk. What else could she do but stay in her home?
Get on a bus, call a taxi and leave town in the days before hand I would think. It wasnt impossible for these people to have options[QUOTE]
You assume too much. Some elderly people live from one SSI check to the next and cannot afford the bus or taxi fare. Coming up with extra money is easier said than done for some.
[QUOTE=Marlee]COLOR=Purple] They were not the only ones to divert the money, they have known for decades...yes decades these were a problem, president, after president, mayor after mayor all hold some responisblity here. Actully I would dare say every public offical would be at fault on this part to some degree.[QUOTE]
Again, thank you for reiterating my point! (and thank you for emphasing that it was decades for other readers, as I knew this having stated this problem was known when GHW was in office.) The presidents are to blame for diverting the money elsewhere. Whether it began 15 years ago or 25 years ago, studies showed that the structures would only withstand a category 3 hurricane. Every president that overlooked this finding is guilty here.
[QUOTE=Marlee]But they are not alone, they people do have a choice as to whom they have in office. Had they felt it prudent to put a responsible party in there that did what was nessisary, they many not have this problem.[QUOTE]
I’m not sure I understand your argument. I, in no way, voted for President Bush to be in office and have no control over his actions or decisions. I don’t/didn’t feel he was the responsible person to put in charge. Not all of the people voted for the administration currently in office (all levels) so to say that their suffering is their own fault doesn’t make sense, IMO
[QUOTE=Marlee]However had they done it, and it still failed people would still find a way to blame the current adminstration. That is all I have heard is how it is always they fault of the president, when in reality, it has nothing more to do with him, than it did any oter presdient preceding him.[/COLOR][QUOTE]
Again, I’m not sure I understand your argument. The entire sum of money needed to fix and strengthen the levees was not available to the State of LA or the city of N.O. The money was available through a federal fund- neither New Orlean’s mayor, nor the Lousianna Governor can tell Bush how to spend the fund.
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sure they did, they help choose their own local officals, who obviously didnt feel the need to fix it until this happened. Where did their state money go, tehy had it, bush didnt redirect those funds.
Please see above!
[QUOTE=Marlee]It is also the government's responsibility to help and serve its people. To leave them stranded with no food, no water, and insufficient law-enforcement is dispicable.
Again, local law enforement comes first. Hmmm, for some reason if I remember 9-11 it was the local firefighters, and police that went in first, it took a few days for real "governemt help" (i.e. military etc)there as well. [QUOTE]
Very true! However, our nation’s leader dropped his business and flew to NY as soon as he heard. It took him 2 days to leave Texas after Katrina. The local government in LA was working. The NO police chief went days without sleep or a shower. Two policemen killed themselves because of the stress they had to endure. When the local and state government can’t handle the situation, it is the federal government’s responsibility to step in. Especially when human lives are at stake.
[QUOTE=Marlee]IMO, yes, the president did cause these people to act this way. If you put that large a number of people together, scare the hell out of them, give them no information on the conditions, provide them with no food or water, then that is going to happen.
Yes, I am sure that you do feel this way, however President Bush did not put fire arms in these peoples hands. He also did not tell them to shoot at people trying to help.[QUOTE]
I don’t believe this is something you could be an expert on until experiencing it, IMO.
[QUOTE=Marlee]Again in 9-11 people were scared, and had far more reason to shoot at others than in this situation, They KNEW it was comming, they had time to leave or prepare, they had choices as well.[QUOTE]
The people of New Orleans knew a hurricane was coming. The general public didn’t know the structural integrity of the levees. Few of these people died or suffered because of the hurricane conditions.
[QUOTE=Marlee]To claim that the governemt placed them in this situation is not only ridiculaous, but short sighted. THEY KNEW it was comming, they had choices, they chose to stay, to fight, to be jerks and harm others. Not the government the people.
A few chose to act that way- not the entire population stuck there. Most people had no control over the situation they were put in. The majority weren’t members of gangs. I apologize if you think my claim was “short-sighted.” I think you’d be surprised to realize that the fact for which you are calling me “short-sighted” is a fact that you yourself earlier stated: “president, after president, mayor after mayor all hold some responisblity here. Actully I would dare say every public offical would be at fault on this part to some degree.” I’m sorry if you wrongly assumed by government that I solely meant our current president.
[QUOTE=Marlee]It's the animalistic instinct in people coming out. No one can imagine the conditions these people were forced to live in for days.
I am sure this is true in America, however, many people live in worse conditions everyday all over the world, where are your crys of injustice for them.
I realize these aren’t the only people in the world suffereing. However, we’re talking about the subject at hand. If you have another subject you’d like me to post on, PM me and let me know when you’ve posted it!