i too am not doing the crate training. i agree with ellie may... i got her to play with her and enjoy her and i know shed be miserable in the crate and i just wont get to enjoy being around ehr if she was in there.. it just seems mean. i take her to the pads when she gets up in the morning, after she naps, after a big play and after she eats and before bed... ive done this since day one... she caught on quickly and now only pees on the paper and we are working on the pooing. she sometimes goes by herself to poo on the pad and othertimes not.. but she is only 12 weeks now so i cant expect her to be perfect yet |