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Originally Posted by Lorraine

You are absolutely correct but there is more to it. For example, a very reputable show breeder could sell a dog to someone or allow someone a stud service to a nice male. THat breeder who got puppies out of the breedings now have that kennel name in their pedigree.
Now suppose that breeder with these puppies sells a puppy to someone they trust. Now suppose that breeder who bought this puppy does do business with an unreputable breeder (unknown to them at the time) or if they kept a male puppy that eventually becomes a stud dog, studs a bitch for someone who they don't know as well as they thought.
That next breeder down the line can then be selling anything with any claims they want to make because that very good kennel is indeed in the pedigree but certainly not with the permission or desires of the original very good show kennel that has that name.
Problem? Well the problem is that it is possible for the disreputable breeder to get that line but they are breeding the Yorkies they own that may not be very good or may not be from ethical backgrounds.
If you are going to be impressed with pedigrees, know who you are dealing with. I get very suspicious of sellers that sell with the claims of Champions in the pedigree and rattle off good kennel names in the pedigree who they have never even met and certainly those show breeders would not ever consider breeding to any of their dogs or selling them anything.
I'll try to explain further or better.
I have Pastoral, Yorkboro, and Durrer in my pedigrees which my pedigrees are becoming more and more also my kennel name as I put championships on my dogs and have them in my breeding program.
However, I know each of these breeders, went to Lorraine myself for the stud services, also to Doreen for a stud service and the breedings I did has Pastoral and Yorkboro anyway as they know each other and are good friends.
Durrer, I know Betty Anne and also dealt directly with her.
Terminology is that I got these lines through the front door. In other words, by dealing directly with the breeders involved. When I bought Tommy, he was a lot of Durrer behind him and some Aero. I knew both breeders and asked them if it was okay with them if I bought Tommy from his breeder who had also checked with both Durrer and Aero that it was okay for me to buy Tommy. I wanted to make sure they knew I was getting their lines although not directly from them but they were fine as I had gotten a stud service from Durrer before this and have since bred to an Aero dog the breeder has.
Going through the back door means that certain kennel names are now in someones pedigree without the knowledge or certainly the okay of the breeder that owns that kennel name. SOmewhere along the line a trust was broken, dogs or stud services were sold where they shouldn't have been on open papers
Most of the time you will see that reputable kennel name way back there somewhere.
Look at the pedigree itself. Is the breeder you are buying from showing their dogs, do they have their own line established with some of their own champion dogs or getting there? Or are they just selling puppies on the names of other show breeders who did the work had the good dogs bred to the standard, only to have them end up in a third or fourth generation of someone who doesn't know a thing.
And you wonder why show breeders are so cautious with refusing stud services and not selling on open papers and indeed, many are selling spay/neutered before it goes out the door.
Me for example as I hope no one ever gets a hold of any of my kennel name that I wouldn't want them to have it as my kennel name carries some very nice lines behind it and I wouldn't want those kennel names in the wrong places either.

Lorraine,
My husband and I headed South for the day on Monday. We ran accross a Petland and have never been in one, so my husband and I thought we would check it out. For one thing I could not believe the quality of these poor puppy mill dogs and all they wanted was alittle love! I honestly could have purchased everyone of them and rescued them from this pet store. They had one yorkie female and I ask to see her info and when I looked at her pedigree I could not believe what I seen! In the third generation there where well known AKC champions! From breeders that are very picky about where their puppies are placed. I am quite positive what you have used as an example above happened in this situation. I believe that in today's breeding society alot of breeders breed for the money and the better the pedigree they can advertise the more money they can put into their pockets! I also could not believe how many prospective pet owners that go to pet stores do not realize the puppies are coming from puppy mills and not descent reputable breeders. After leaving Petland we headed home and all I could think about was those poor dogs I left behind at the pet store.