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BlondieGirl87 · 01-10-2007, 07:27 PM

As FLDebra said: QUOTE FROM YTCA.org: "Almost all of the classes were divided by weight. The classes were for Broken Haired or Rough Scotch Terriers less than 5 lbs. or 6 lbs. and under; Toy Terriers 4 lbs. and under, or 5 lbs. not exceeding 7 lbs., or 6 lbs. and over; or Blue Scotch Terriers under 7 lbs. or 7 lbs. not exceeding 9 lbs. The largest weight class in which they were reported to have been shown was for Broken Haired Scotch Terrier 9 lbs. not exceeding 12 lbs. This record should prove that although there were larger Yorkshires they were not being shown at the dog shows. The record proves that the small size was available for breeding from early days." ........AND.... "The Yorkshire standard of 1890 says"
"Weight divided into two classes, under five pounds and over five pounds, but not to exceed twelve pounds."
." http://ytca.org/history.html Now one breed that went into the MIX to make a Yorkie was larger -- the Clydesdale -- but the Clydesdale was only part of the Yorkshire makeup.

No doubt there were some biggies then as now -- but the standard is now "not to exceed 7 pounds" and that should be what is strived for in breeding. No matter how careful a breeder is, there are bound to be some that wind up over the standard, just as some will have floppy ears, soft coats, and mismarked colors....and we love them all.
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Orginally yorkies were not bigger, they've gotten bigger as the breed has become more and more popular and more people start breeding them.
I have nothing against people who want or have large yorkies. I don't fault them whatsoever, but to breed for a yorkie thats 18 pounds?? Yes, I find that unethical and not right. I believe in sticking within the standards and that is under 7 pounds. If they wish to change the standards in the future to 35 pounds then I'll advocate that they stay under 35 pounds but so far the standard hasn't been changed and in my opinion shouldn't be changed. Its been this way for so long now and just because some people like the larger yorkies why should we change what they really are? If you want a larger yorkie why not consider a different type of the breed like a silkie? They still look like a yorkie but it is within their standard to be bigger.

My Jaden has 67 AKC champions in his bloodline and is AKC and only 4 pounds. He was meant to be a show dog and was perfect in every way, proportion, size, coloring etc. However, he is extremely nervouse which is a tempermant that is not beneficial to the breed. Because of this I wanted him to be nuetered. I would never, ever breed him because his pups might be of a nervouse tempermant the same way he is and in my opinion that isn't bettering the breed. Now, I could've said, he's gorgeous, he's a $5,000 dollar dog, and I am going to breed him because I want his babies, but I didn't because it wouldn't have bettered the breed so I did what I believed was the correct thing to do. If someone wishes to breed two yorkies that are over the standard to have puppies in my opinion, I think that's wrong because its not bettering the breed. When those pups are grown whose to say whoever gets them doesn't decide to breed them to something else or another large yorkie and then 10 years down the road guess what...the 20 pound white fuzzy short haired dog over there is a yorkie!

The breed standards are stated for a reason, not because some men in business suits just wanted to write up some contracts. They have the dogs best interest in mine, a yorkie was meant to look and act a certain way and if they are kept within the standard they will.

In my opinion too many people out there breed because they just love their dogs and want more of them or want more yorkies instead of doing whats right for the breed as a whole. I say leave breeding up to the profesionals who really know what they are doing and do their research and breed yorkies that are within the standard. We have enough dogs in shelters because too many people start breeding when they shouldn't and sell pups to people they shouldn't and then the dogs end up being given up or taken away and where does that leave them? Its not their fault they were bred, its not their fault someone bought a puppy looking for a 4-5 pound yorkie and ended up with a 15 pound yorkie that they gave away...ultimately we must remember that even though they are dogs they feel and hurt just like we do. Why in the world would you want to breed something and sell something that someone would buy thinking it would be one thing and it would turn into something entirely different. Not everyone in the world are like people here on YT. Some people will give a dog away or put it down if its not what they had in mind...why would you risk doing that to something? I know I never would.

01-10-2007, 07:27 PM	#197
BlondieGirl87 No Longer A Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Big Friendly City :) Posts: 4,236	As FLDebra said: QUOTE FROM YTCA.org: "Almost all of the classes were divided by weight. The classes were for Broken Haired or Rough Scotch Terriers less than 5 lbs. or 6 lbs. and under; Toy Terriers 4 lbs. and under, or 5 lbs. not exceeding 7 lbs., or 6 lbs. and over; or Blue Scotch Terriers under 7 lbs. or 7 lbs. not exceeding 9 lbs. The largest weight class in which they were reported to have been shown was for Broken Haired Scotch Terrier 9 lbs. not exceeding 12 lbs. This record should prove that although there were larger Yorkshires they were not being shown at the dog shows. The record proves that the small size was available for breeding from early days." ........AND.... "The Yorkshire standard of 1890 says" "Weight divided into two classes, under five pounds and over five pounds, but not to exceed twelve pounds." ." http://ytca.org/history.html Now one breed that went into the MIX to make a Yorkie was larger -- the Clydesdale -- but the Clydesdale was only part of the Yorkshire makeup. No doubt there were some biggies then as now -- but the standard is now "not to exceed 7 pounds" and that should be what is strived for in breeding. No matter how careful a breeder is, there are bound to be some that wind up over the standard, just as some will have floppy ears, soft coats, and mismarked colors....and we love them all. __________________________________________________ ______________ Orginally yorkies were not bigger, they've gotten bigger as the breed has become more and more popular and more people start breeding them. I have nothing against people who want or have large yorkies. I don't fault them whatsoever, but to breed for a yorkie thats 18 pounds?? Yes, I find that unethical and not right. I believe in sticking within the standards and that is under 7 pounds. If they wish to change the standards in the future to 35 pounds then I'll advocate that they stay under 35 pounds but so far the standard hasn't been changed and in my opinion shouldn't be changed. Its been this way for so long now and just because some people like the larger yorkies why should we change what they really are? If you want a larger yorkie why not consider a different type of the breed like a silkie? They still look like a yorkie but it is within their standard to be bigger. My Jaden has 67 AKC champions in his bloodline and is AKC and only 4 pounds. He was meant to be a show dog and was perfect in every way, proportion, size, coloring etc. However, he is extremely nervouse which is a tempermant that is not beneficial to the breed. Because of this I wanted him to be nuetered. I would never, ever breed him because his pups might be of a nervouse tempermant the same way he is and in my opinion that isn't bettering the breed. Now, I could've said, he's gorgeous, he's a $5,000 dollar dog, and I am going to breed him because I want his babies, but I didn't because it wouldn't have bettered the breed so I did what I believed was the correct thing to do. If someone wishes to breed two yorkies that are over the standard to have puppies in my opinion, I think that's wrong because its not bettering the breed. When those pups are grown whose to say whoever gets them doesn't decide to breed them to something else or another large yorkie and then 10 years down the road guess what...the 20 pound white fuzzy short haired dog over there is a yorkie! The breed standards are stated for a reason, not because some men in business suits just wanted to write up some contracts. They have the dogs best interest in mine, a yorkie was meant to look and act a certain way and if they are kept within the standard they will. In my opinion too many people out there breed because they just love their dogs and want more of them or want more yorkies instead of doing whats right for the breed as a whole. I say leave breeding up to the profesionals who really know what they are doing and do their research and breed yorkies that are within the standard. We have enough dogs in shelters because too many people start breeding when they shouldn't and sell pups to people they shouldn't and then the dogs end up being given up or taken away and where does that leave them? Its not their fault they were bred, its not their fault someone bought a puppy looking for a 4-5 pound yorkie and ended up with a 15 pound yorkie that they gave away...ultimately we must remember that even though they are dogs they feel and hurt just like we do. Why in the world would you want to breed something and sell something that someone would buy thinking it would be one thing and it would turn into something entirely different. Not everyone in the world are like people here on YT. Some people will give a dog away or put it down if its not what they had in mind...why would you risk doing that to something? I know I never would.