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Originally Posted by topknot prettypuppypink - I was not blamming anyone. Just trying to find a clue as to the behavior. Just as I stated - it is a condition response - which you are also right - can also be caused by a bad breeder. If they are not well socialized and treated correctly - pups learn bad behavior as a way of protecting themselves. Thus there are no bad pup (in the beginning)- it is a learned/conditioned response from their environment.
Again - try the information in Dog Whisper' book- I have heard it is a very good book! In most cases you can retrain the pup - but it does take time, patience, and being consistant.
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I have the Dog Whisper book. I was doing obedience training with him. I've got him to do a sit/stay (sloppy, circles before following the command) with reward and praise. He heels now as well. He still doesn't trust. On the "come" command he will come but his body language is pulling away only wants the treat. It takes alot of time and patience. They are smart. His trainer is used to deal with his emotional behavoir. I've had dogs for 46 years and can do obedience on my own but never had these abuse issues previously. It does take the joy out of owning a puppy. That's life!