No I have never broke the water bag.
I time labor after it (water bag) appears. I note the girl is in labor before that. but I start timing after the black water bag. No longer then 2 hrs.
I give max 2 hrs after it appears for a a puppy bag/sack............if not GO TO the VET. That is after checking the vulva after the water bag breaks, for another sack. And that means up close. Checking the vulva, for any membrane, bulging, legs, nose .................use a flashlight if you have to!
Laceys mom...........I think u did A wonderful job.........and were an excellent supporter.
This girl may have very well needed a C section.