[lisatodd]

everyone will disagree with me but i use the old fashion method....i tried everything w muffie but until i did what my father told me, she finally stopped. you rub their nose in it and spank the rear....put them outside. it was 6 months and she stopped immediatly. when i got kirby, i did it right a way and he was trained in 2 weeks....he was 14 weeks old. i know alot of people disagree with this method but it worked for me twice and it has always worked for my father.