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yorkipower · 11-29-2004, 01:10 PM

Fasteddie
- Thanks for putting up that post!!!!!
- About the first questionnaire’s story regarding her attempts at quieting her pup. It really hit a nerve! As a dog trainer, seen first hand what happens to dogs, especially small dogs, who are "trained" to be quite by the use of loud clanking noises like rocks or coins in a can or pots being banged together (just think how that can cross over to a dog’s everyday life!)

General comment to all:
PLEASE do not use noises as a means to discipline your dogs!

It can make them highly noise sensitive.

I've tried clicker training rescues that’ve obviously been "trained" by being frightened with cans and the like. Instead of being positively reinforced by the gentle sound of a clicker, they are actually AFRAID of the sound and I first have to desensitize them before I can even make it a positive experience for them! The kong stuffing technique is a great idea and a much better alternative to making a lot of noise to distract your dog (very old school and notice that the kong stuffing is a POSTIVIE training technique and the noise is a NEGATIVE training technique?).

DON”T make your dog noise sensitive - it can sneak up on you in the most unlikely and inopportune moments. For example, Belle was a lovely but badly abused Bassett Hound who was rescued by a wonderful and loving woman who also happens to own an apartment in New York City. To be perfectly honest, Belle had many emotional ticks when she came to live with this Bassett Rescue person, but among them was noise sensitively. You can imagine that the least the “training” techniques she was forced to endure was negative punishment by means of noise. I was walking Belle along the sidewalk one day when from behind us a garbage man dropped a heavy metal can on the ground, it clanked and suddenly 65 pounds of Basset Hound went up into the air and dropped into the middle of the side street inches in front of an oncoming car. Like a football play I jumped into the air, tackled her and rolled her into safety. There are a few gray “Belle” hairs on my head to show for it!

My own boy, Mr. Bun, was well loved and cared for in his previous home, although I could tell right way that he was 1)never properly socialized and 2) trained with the can/coin method. It took a long time to convince Bun that just because there’s a loud noise in a room, does not mean he is being punished! To this day, a clang, bang, or bump can lead him to actually skulk out of a room! That’s a horrible way to live life, don’t you agree?

11-29-2004, 01:10 PM	#2
yorkipower BANNED! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 446	Conditioning Techniques for Training - don't use coins in a can or bang pots together Fasteddie - Thanks for putting up that post!!!!! - About the first questionnaire’s story regarding her attempts at quieting her pup. It really hit a nerve! As a dog trainer, seen first hand what happens to dogs, especially small dogs, who are "trained" to be quite by the use of loud clanking noises like rocks or coins in a can or pots being banged together (just think how that can cross over to a dog’s everyday life!) General comment to all: PLEASE do not use noises as a means to discipline your dogs! It can make them highly noise sensitive. I've tried clicker training rescues that’ve obviously been "trained" by being frightened with cans and the like. Instead of being positively reinforced by the gentle sound of a clicker, they are actually AFRAID of the sound and I first have to desensitize them before I can even make it a positive experience for them! The kong stuffing technique is a great idea and a much better alternative to making a lot of noise to distract your dog (very old school and notice that the kong stuffing is a POSTIVIE training technique and the noise is a NEGATIVE training technique?). DON”T make your dog noise sensitive - it can sneak up on you in the most unlikely and inopportune moments. For example, Belle was a lovely but badly abused Bassett Hound who was rescued by a wonderful and loving woman who also happens to own an apartment in New York City. To be perfectly honest, Belle had many emotional ticks when she came to live with this Bassett Rescue person, but among them was noise sensitively. You can imagine that the least the “training” techniques she was forced to endure was negative punishment by means of noise. I was walking Belle along the sidewalk one day when from behind us a garbage man dropped a heavy metal can on the ground, it clanked and suddenly 65 pounds of Basset Hound went up into the air and dropped into the middle of the side street inches in front of an oncoming car. Like a football play I jumped into the air, tackled her and rolled her into safety. There are a few gray “Belle” hairs on my head to show for it! My own boy, Mr. Bun, was well loved and cared for in his previous home, although I could tell right way that he was 1)never properly socialized and 2) trained with the can/coin method. It took a long time to convince Bun that just because there’s a loud noise in a room, does not mean he is being punished! To this day, a clang, bang, or bump can lead him to actually skulk out of a room! That’s a horrible way to live life, don’t you agree?