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JeanieK · 08-07-2006, 06:05 AM

[QUOTE=Erin]I disagree with Cesar's training methods. They are old, outdated, many are proven to be bogus and many of the dogs look stressed and/or fearful. Forcing your dog to submit to you, rather than teaching them the proper way to behave, is quite lazy IMO. Considering so many people on this board will jump on someone for using a collar on their yorkie, I'm surprised so many will stand up for Cesar when he advocates using collar correction.

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I am interested in seeing where it is PROVEN that Cesar's methods are bogus.

Have you ever actually watched the show. Those dogs do not look stressed to me, nor do they look afraid. His pack of dogs follow him willingly. If they were stressed or afraid they would not swarm around him when he enters the pen, they would crouch and try to attack him, or run and hide.

It is one thing to disagree with his method if you have another one that works for you, but to call his methods bogus is quite another thing.

All of the problems, that the dogs on his show have, stem from not having a clear leader in the house.

Now if you work with your dogs, then you have a clear leader in your home, so you are not going to have those types of problems. Good for you. But not everyone understands dogs and that they do need a clear leader. It is instinct. It's their natural way.

I believe that "dominant" is the wrong word, and Cesar avoids that word, he uses the terms "calm and assertive" there is a difference.

No one has claimed that Cesar's way is the only way to train, but I will go out on a limb to say that if you are not the clear pack leader in your house, you will not be able to train your dog using any method.

On the other hand if you are the clear leader, and are calm and assertive, you WILL be able to train your dog with ANY method.

Your dog has to be well balanced in order to train them and having a clear, calm, assertive pack leader, makes for a well balanced dog.

I's no different than raising a child. Someone has to be in charge and if it isn't the parent, than IT WILL BE the child.

08-07-2006, 06:05 AM	#12
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	[QUOTE=Erin]I disagree with Cesar's training methods. They are old, outdated, many are proven to be bogus and many of the dogs look stressed and/or fearful. Forcing your dog to submit to you, rather than teaching them the proper way to behave, is quite lazy IMO. Considering so many people on this board will jump on someone for using a collar on their yorkie, I'm surprised so many will stand up for Cesar when he advocates using collar correction. QUOTE] I am interested in seeing where it is PROVEN that Cesar's methods are bogus. Have you ever actually watched the show. Those dogs do not look stressed to me, nor do they look afraid. His pack of dogs follow him willingly. If they were stressed or afraid they would not swarm around him when he enters the pen, they would crouch and try to attack him, or run and hide. It is one thing to disagree with his method if you have another one that works for you, but to call his methods bogus is quite another thing. All of the problems, that the dogs on his show have, stem from not having a clear leader in the house. Now if you work with your dogs, then you have a clear leader in your home, so you are not going to have those types of problems. Good for you. But not everyone understands dogs and that they do need a clear leader. It is instinct. It's their natural way. I believe that "dominant" is the wrong word, and Cesar avoids that word, he uses the terms "calm and assertive" there is a difference. No one has claimed that Cesar's way is the only way to train, but I will go out on a limb to say that if you are not the clear pack leader in your house, you will not be able to train your dog using any method. On the other hand if you are the clear leader, and are calm and assertive, you WILL be able to train your dog with ANY method. Your dog has to be well balanced in order to train them and having a clear, calm, assertive pack leader, makes for a well balanced dog. I's no different than raising a child. Someone has to be in charge and if it isn't the parent, than IT WILL BE the child.