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Old 02-07-2018, 09:55 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Britster View Post
I have no real opinion on this to be honest as I dont Raw feed and I don’t have enough information but saw this article and thought I’d share the “rebuttal” so to speak.

Thoughts?

https://www.dogsfirst.ie/raw-chicken...lysis-in-dogs/
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Originally Posted by pstinard View Post
I'll comment on a few things and go down the list in order:

"First, has anyone on here ever heard of APN?! Come on now, there are thousands of you out there feeding raw chicken, surely one of your dogs has been stricken down?!!!!"

I personally don't feed my dog raw chicken so I can't answer that question for myself, but APN is the most common type of canine paralysis in the US. Here, it often goes by the name of Coonhound Paralysis: https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions...ound_paralysis

I don't know anyone who has an afflicted dog, but one of my work colleagues was afflicted by Guillain-Barre Syndrome, which is the human equivalent. See https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20362793 . Ironically, here is a quote from the Mayo Clinic:

"Guillain-Barre syndrome may be triggered by:
Most commonly, infection with campylobacter, a type of bacteria often found in undercooked poultry"


Now moving on the rebuttal's bulleted points:

1. "Around half of dogs normally have Campylobacter in their guts." This may or may not be true--the rebuttal doesn't purport to be scientific--but the Australian study found that dogs with APN had 12.4 times the likelihood for testing positive for Campylobacter as healthy dogs.

2. "There are so many causes of APN in dogs it's ridiculous." Umm, not really. In the US, APN was originally identified in dogs that had contact with raccoons. The state of the art at the time was such that they really didn't know WHAT about the raccoons caused the APN. The Australian study makes a compelling case that Campylobacter infection increases the risk of APN by a factor of 12.4 times. That's nothing to be sneezed at. The rebuttal argues that APN has been found to be caused by various other factors, such as vaccinations and Toxoplasma gondii infections. The Australian study looked at all of these factors, and many more. I quoted the odds ratios for these factors in a previous post in this thread, but to summarize, dogs that were recently vaccinated were twice as likely to have APN, as opposed to dogs that were fed raw chicken were 70 times as likely to have APN. As for Toxoplasma gondii, here is what the Australians wrote: "In a retrospective study investigating potential infectious origins, it was suggested that infection with T. gondii may trigger APN in dogs, 31 as previously reported in humans. 32,33 However, in a more recent study, only 1 of 14 APN dogs was positive for T. gondii Abs. 7 In our study, APN cases tested for N. caninum and T. gondii all were found to be negative." I kept the reference numbers in the quote because the rebuttal cites article number 31. That's a poster presented at an ACVIM conference in Dallas, TX in 2008. A more recent study from 2013 found that only 1 of 14 dogs tested positive for Toxoplasma gondii (cited as article number 7 in the Australian paper.)

3. "Poor sample size and poorer sampling methods." Sample size could always be larger in ANY study, but the methods of the Australian group are sound, and the results were overwhelmingly statistically significant. The rebuttal goes on to whine about the University of Melbourne Veterinary Hospital being "a veterinary university hospital that is presumably cash-sponsored by the dry food industry that most staff are on the dry food bandwagon and are thus appropriately terrified of feeding their pets any real food whatsoever. Can’t see too many of these dogs being fed raw chicken anyway!!!" The rebuttal exposes its own biases with statements like this. I can't really take statements about veterinarians being "terrified of feeding their dogs any real food" seriously.

4. "Might there be another reason dogs with APN shed Campylobacter shed in their faeces?" Perhaps, but the study ALSO found that dogs fed raw chicken were 70 times as likely to have APN as healthy dogs, and dogs fed other raw meats were 40 times as likely to have APN as healthy dogs, so there's that.

"Conclusion: Raw chicken is not linked to paralysis in dogs in any meaningful way." If by "meaningful" you mean scientific research conducted at a world class veterinary school and subjected to rigorous peer review, then you're quite wrong, my friend. All I can say is...

I always look at sources when I see stuff on the internet. This one .. all I can say is that when I read the following blurb, I drew my own conclusion right away about his article and his reason for posting this so called rebuttal; and I don't believe it is about the welfare of anyone's dogs. Kind of reminds me of the one who is a human dentist who makes money coming off like a dog food expert of sorts. They all make money off of the internet in my opinion.

The bottom line is that he is refuting scientific evidence.....just what keeps some people doing the things they do. He knows that some people don't care about scientific evidence....they just want to read what they want to read and believe what they want to believe.
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About the Author: Dr. Conor Brady

After a doctorate studying the effects of nutrition on the behaviour and gut morphology of animals, five years with Guide Dogs as a trainer and supervisor, some success on Dragons Den with the finest raw dog food company and the last few years both writing and speaking on canine nutrition and health, I can say with some confidence that the pet food and drug industry cares not a jot for the health of your pet.
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