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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly  Oh, come on, down get mad! No reason to boil over. What "facts" have we twisted and "bile" are you talking about? You personally demanded Lovetodream88 produce scientific evidence of her beliefs and all I am asking to see is scientific evidence of yours, which only seems fair. I asked if everyone wanted to see what I'd found in the way of scientific studies(evidence) that seemed to prove Lovetodream88 and most of our points on this thread and provided links to scientific abstracts with the entire studies for rental/purchase. These work products of months and years of very costly studies are rarely shared for free with the public. But you haven't yet provided links to scientific study abstracts/full article-access to prove your point of view yet, just someone's supposed summary, which is open to his interpretation and bias, too.
So why so upset? No need to get hyper - we're good folks and want what's best for the puppies. Just find some scientific studies that help prove the point you keep belaboring.
Otherwise, we're left with just a series of vets(not all reputable or small breed vets), breeders(not all breed for the best of reasons) and buyers personal impressions based on experiences - both good and bad, though we rarely see the "bad" published for public consumption other than in published scientific studies, really, do we? Breeders don't actually often share and broadcast records of their breeding failures in their brochures, magazine, newspapers and website ads, do they?
Contrary to your beliefs on the best separation age, most of the reputable, long-respected breeders on this large Yorkie forum who only breed to improve the Yorkshire Terrier seem to agree that the puppies fare better in life if left with mom for the extended period of 12 weeks. I'd hope most YT'ers tend to go along with these breeders' vast experience of long years and maybe even appreciate the published studies that tend to demonstrate the puppies themselves fare better in several areas if left longer with mom, at least until we see some other scientific, empirical evidence to disprove it.
Still, if you have no actual studies to share, that's okay, too. Everyone is free to form their own opinion on the subject of whether puppies lives are enriched and improved by an extended stay with the mother dog based on what we've all presented and discussed here.
How are your pups doing? Everybody thriving and mom okay? |
Excellent post! When one talks the talk, one should be able to walk that talk, and throwing out opinions with nothing but opinions to prop it up, is woefully inadequate. In this post above, scientific research and studies and how to procure them have been produced, not just opinion. It has always been my experience that a negligible number of owners or breeders that routinely buy puppies and sell at 6-8 weeks of age, will admit they have not acted in the best interest of the puppy. For a breeder to keep a puppy until 12-14 weeks of age, is certainly NOT doing it because they could care LESS about that puppy. Keeping puppies for an extended period of time is a labor of love, an emotional drain, nerve racking, time consuming, space allocation challenge, additional cleaning responsibilities, and last but not least, a proportionate decrease in a breeders ability to break even on the sale of that puppy! When sold at 6-8 weeks, NONE of the above points are an issue to be dealt with by a breeder.....so it is clearly in the
best interest of the breeder to get those babies out to new homes as quickly as possible.....saves money, time, and labor. But it is NOT what is best for the puppy, and if you are breeding, THAT
should your bottom line.....do what is absolutely the best for those puppies, from conception to dispersal. If that is NOT a breeders main concern, just be a broker.....less than 1/3 of the cost, work, worry, and emotional investment being a breeder entails.....and the broker's motivation is honest, transparent and needs no explanation or excuse.