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Old 01-13-2015, 08:04 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Mike1975 View Post
You choose the parts of the standard that suits your breeding.
What is convenient to you and all the "off color - rare - WOW" breeders.
You choose to breed under your OWN standard and you are trying to make it look like it is ok....

Well... IT IS NOT OK.

This is wrong.

There is only one standard and you don't seem to care that color and texture are the breed's most distinctive physical traits.

And maybe this is a bit extreme, but if we continue to disrespect the standard and breed what ever trait we want, like or is convenient to supply the demand, we are gonna loose the breed.

A blue and tan unsound dog with structural faults is as wrong as a sound purple, white, chocolate or whatever off color "yorkie".
Both "breeders" that breed in these faults, are equally wrong.
A parti color dog does not represent a TRUE YORKIE.
The dog that reflects the vision of those who originated the breed.
This vision is written in the standard.

IMO there are 2 options.

Respect the WHOLE standard and breed to it.

or

find another breed.


Don't mess with this one.
Mike, you make some very good points and you can hear your passion and it is to be respected.

I agree with you that an unsound dog of ANY color should not be bred. There are far to many people breeding dogs for what they see as $$$$ (I've yet to find it) and less for the improvement of their lines. This I'm afraid is a shame with the off color AS WELL as the standard color yorkie. To say all breeders of the off colored yorkies are doing it for the quick buck is just not the case, no more than for me to say that's what you are in it for.. and I certainly would never say that.

I however have to disagree on a few points, the tri colored and other off colored varieties of the yorkie HAVE been proven to be true Yorkies.. just because the color is different does not make them a different breed. I understand that the standard for coat color is off, but the texture can be achieved (although it is a challenge of course).

We are not 'messing" with the breed.. these colors are coming FROM the breed.. we are not adding them in. I understand that many do not agree with that statement either, but as far as I know, and as far as the pedigrees show and the DNA prove, the dogs we are using are pure, AKC registered dogs that came from blue/gold stock.


There are some of us out there who also have a passion for doing it right, we are trying to produce a healthy, well structured yorkie with good character. We see the Yorkie as more than just coat color and texture.. this dog is SO much more.. to me, the LAST thing I worry about is color and it's always the first and seems like the only thing on the YTCA peoples mind.. You miss so much of this wonderful dog when you only care about the color of the coat!!

Honestly, I had a well respected breeder see my standard blue/gold female and ask if I had a male with that coat color.. I said I did and she wanted to use him for a stud.. I asked her if she wanted to know his lines, or his weight or his character or anything else about him.. and she said.. no, if he has that color coat, he's perfect!!! I was floored.

I guess this is where the disconnect comes in.. you all care soo darn much about that coat color, you seem to have lost the dog. I breed for the dog, and cool.. look at all the colors they can be~ the coat color is NOT the most important part to me.. getting the texture is important, getting good ear set is important, having a great top line is important, good structure, good bit, perfect health good character.. now those things are important.. but color.. not so much..the over all look of the dog is what I look at, total package.

These dogs have been registered now for 15 years, they have only increased in popularity and registration numbers. I don't see them going away any time soon no matter what the YTCA thinks of them or tries to do. It would be far better, in my opinion, to work with the breeders of the off colored yorkies than against them. (What is that old adage, keep your friends close, your enemies closer or something like that?) Maybe try and work something out between the two groups instead of fighting each other? There has to be a more productive way of doing this then to constantly butt heads, neither side is going to change their ideas. Other breeds have worked it out.

Diana
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