You should probably start your own thread. You will get answers related to your problem. It's hard to read if you type in all caps. When you are training them, you don't ever give them a chance to make a mistake, this means when they are out of the crate, your eyes are glued to them, when they circle and sniff, take them outside or place them on a pee pad. Take them out every hour or so from the crate, praise them and treat them when they go in the right place, then allow a brief period of play with eyes glued on them and then back into the crate. I personally think pee pads might help a lot, Joey had an xpen and pee pad and basically trained himself.