[gemy]

Back to the Movie Speciesism. There are logical trains of thought that will flow from the "ideas" brought forward in this movie.

First in its own advertising literature it describes a movie that is in support of the animal "rights" agenda. In an earlier posting I posted what was available with quick search on the web. THeir agenda is clearly outlined with little obfuscations or seemingly obtuse and vague language.

'the movie made no bones about not doing anything to show cogent counter prevailing arguments. It spent quite a bit of time at the end of the movie promoting veganism etc.

The horrows of these mass barns and virtual pits of muck that food animals in big Agro must live in, would be appalling to any-one. So outlaw those okay? Where is the meat supply going to come from? Are there truly enough small farms that pasture raise their animals to supply the demand for North American omnivores? But if you accept that any animal has a right to feel no pain through out their lifetime then one can't slaughter animals for food. By default one must be a vegetarian. Of course you can't breed animals either because after all whelping is painfull and risky, and they now have a legal right under a new law that their life is to be painfree.

I am very concerned for animal welfare, but I am far from convinced animals need rights under the law. And if so, just exactly what those rights should be.

Quite frankly I personally don't want to live in a world that I can't share with my buds. ANd if breeding for companion dogs/cats is outlawed we shall have no best buds.

Superior is a term that seems to be a "bad" word. We can't call ourselves superior without somehow attaching wrong to the word. And quite frankly humans are a species that are different to dogs or cats or elephants. We for the most part do actually have a higher intelligence then the aforementioned. What is so wrong about stating the obvious. My dog how-ever can run faster leap higherand love deeper than I probably will ever be able to do. So my dog is superior to me in those attributes.

And I will not lie to myself or you, but as much as I love my dog(s), when faced with a terrible choice, I could only rescue one either my sister or my dog from a fire, my sister will be the one I choose. Both rely on me fairly equally. And before you wonder my sister is brain damaged and quite frankly needs my help and support to move through her life. She is also of the group that was put on video to make a trite point in this documentary.

My beliefs are pretty simple, those that you can help you help, those that are weaker or infirm through physical or mental shortfalls, or more politicallyorrect speech, differently abled, require my protection. It is my duty and my responsibility.

In terms of meat eating the growth rampant of the world population might force us to make major changes in how and what we eat. Until then I put my money where my mouth is and source my meat from local (near local) free range farmers, and my fruits n veges from organic farmers.

I will support the right of farmers to breed and raise and butcher humanely their livestock. I will support local farmers, to insist that they need to be protected from Big Agro, and this GMO nonsense.

So I try not to support Big Agro, and like Kristin I have never had veal since gosh 30 odd years ago.

I happen to think this documentary was neither well researched and made no concerted effort to show both sides of the question. Interviewees on many occasions looked at the minimum surprised by the question asked, or in certain circumstances were ambushed on their own property. I think the tactics that were employed at times to make a trivial point were uncalled for.